SilvaStandard Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 "As for role playing, the game will incorporate relationships that other Obsidian RPGs have used, but there won't be any romantic options." http://www.polygon.com/2014/6/19/5823118/pillars-of-eternity-preview-e3-2014 Full featured role playing games often use romance or marriage systems. Amazing games such as Baldur's Gate II, Neverwinter Nights, Skyrim, Knights of the Old Republic etc. As a backer, personally I'm disappointed in the lack of romances in Pillars of Eternity. For fans of this style of optional content, there's no upside to their absence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lephys Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Much appreciated, but the developers have directly confirmed this well prior to now. Should we not start with some Ipelagos, or at least some Greater Ipelagos, before tackling a named Arch Ipelago? 6_u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Romance thread alert! Time to batten down the hatch. 8 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "I'm gonna hunt you down so that I can slap you square in the mouth." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "Am I phrasing in the most negative light for them? Yes, but it's not untrue." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmy Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I was aware of this way back during the KS campaign. I don't think this is anything new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namutree Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 "As for role playing, the game will incorporate relationships that other Obsidian RPGs have used, but there won't be any romantic options." http://www.polygon.com/2014/6/19/5823118/pillars-of-eternity-preview-e3-2014 Full featured role playing games often use romance or marriage systems. Amazing games such as Baldur's Gate II, Neverwinter Nights, Skyrim, Knights of the Old Republic etc. As a backer, personally I'm disappointed in the lack of romances in Pillars of Eternity. For fans of this style of optional content, there's no upside to their absence. It's probably best that they hold off on romance until poe2. The farthest they should go in terms of romance in poe would be a bit of flirting. While it is clear there will be no romance in poe; no one has said they won't allude to possible future romances. Besides, mods will give the community romances anyway. 1 "Good thing I don't heal my characters or they'd be really hurt." Is not something I should ever be thinking. I use blue text when I'm being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmy Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 That is a nice thing about very little voice acting. It will be easier to mod in romances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvaStandard Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Personally, I wasn't aware of developer confirmation prior to the linked preview. Regardless, the link and quote were provided as context for my accompanying statement. That being said, this thread isn't a call to action, a shaming of the developers, or condemnation of this title in any way shape or form. The creators of this game are artists and rightfully have the freedom to express themselves as they wish. Likewise, I felt the need to express my feelings toward a game feature wish I greatly value in the role playing games I choose to play. That's the full extent of the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmy Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) Personally, I wasn't aware of developer confirmation prior to the linked preview. Regardless, the link and quote were provided as context for my accompanying statement. That being said, this thread isn't a call to action, a shaming of the developers, or condemnation of this title in any way shape or form. The creators of this game are artists and rightfully have the freedom to express themselves as they wish. Likewise, I felt the need to express my feelings toward a game feature wish I greatly value in the role playing games I choose to play. That's the full extent of the post. You have to understand the context here: this topic has been a mine field for years. Anyway there were no romances in PS:T either so don't get too worried that somehow something might be lacking in interaction with the companions. All I am saying is give no romances a chance. Edited July 2, 2014 by Valmy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonek Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Suffer not the promancer to talk, else his squeeing echo. Suffer not the promancer to see, lest he lay his diseased gaze on a goodly woman. Suffer not the promancer to touch, for he is debased and diseased. Suffer not the promancer to hear, for all he shall hear is scorn. Suffer not the promancer to taste, do not nourish evil. Suffer not the promancer to live, else his deviancy spread. 13 Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin. Tea for the teapot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lephys Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Personally, I wasn't aware of developer confirmation prior to the linked preview. Regardless, the link and quote were provided as context for my accompanying statement. No worries. I wasn't trying to jump on you or anything. Just letting you know that, for what it's worth, this has been dredged and re-dredged about 300 times by a lot of people here. So, just... prepare thineself. Should we not start with some Ipelagos, or at least some Greater Ipelagos, before tackling a named Arch Ipelago? 6_u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leferd Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 O Noes not again. Quick, create new topics and hide this thread to page two or three before HE shows up. 2 "Things are funny...are comedic, because they mix the real with the absurd." - Buzz Aldrin."P-O-T-A-T-O-E" - Dan Quayle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lephys Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Or we could all just post so many "Oh no, not again!"s that, without any actual romance discussion, this thread goes on for 17 pages, and people being ironically asking "why is this thread still going?!", Should we not start with some Ipelagos, or at least some Greater Ipelagos, before tackling a named Arch Ipelago? 6_u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leferd Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Or we could all just post so many "Oh no, not again!"s that, without any actual romance discussion, this thread goes on for 17 pages, and people being ironically asking "why is this thread still going?!", Now that's just spam. Poor form. Poor form. My stance has always been thus: shagging for shagging's sake and less...romancing. EX: Alpha Protocol. 1 "Things are funny...are comedic, because they mix the real with the absurd." - Buzz Aldrin."P-O-T-A-T-O-E" - Dan Quayle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashtonw Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I like romances in games too, but I've hated every romance in Obsidian games so far so I'm quite alright without them. yo what up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgambit Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Romance thread alert! Time to batten down the hatch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWwOJlOI1nU 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namutree Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 O Noes not again. Quick, create new topics and hide this thread to page two or three before HE shows up. I'm on it, but I can't think of anything to talk about. "Good thing I don't heal my characters or they'd be really hurt." Is not something I should ever be thinking. I use blue text when I'm being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constantine Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Romance... hmmm.. Not something that I'll miss in the game. Matilda is a Natlan woman born and raised in Old Vailia. She managed to earn status as a mercenary for being a professional who gets the job done, more so when the job involves putting her excellent fighting abilities to good use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I am neither happy nor sad about this. I enjoy the occassional romance but not every game needs it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen Rohk Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) Or we could all just post so many "Oh no, not again!"s that, without any actual romance discussion, this thread goes on for 17 pages, and people being ironically asking "why is this thread still going?!", Now that's just spam. Poor form. Poor form. My stance has always been thus: shagging for shagging's sake and less...romancing. EX: Alpha Protocol. You're jelly 'cause the redhead held out on you, aren't ya? ;-) In that 'Top 70 RGPs of all time' RPG Codex did (an article I have a mountain of problems with, but that's for another thread), BG2 was right up at the top and praised for it's romances while the ME series was shafted as being some kind of Sims-lite romance simulator. I'll take the latter over BG2's anyday, I think they were poorly implemented. Especially the bit in ToB where Aerie gives birth, that was funny as hell. Romances done right are needed. My personal favourite game romance is Tali from the Mass Effect series, because if you terribly in ME3 and she offs herself you can roleplay Shepard as the husk of a man he once was who has lost his only reason to save the galaxy. The game will fare fine without them I think. The head crushing level of other stuff going on will keep us occupied and the last thing you want is the romance shoe-horned and we all go "eeeeeh...it was alright, I guess". Edited July 3, 2014 by Ashen Rohk 1 You read my post. You have been eaten by a grue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 *grumble* the bioware-style, tangential and insular sex-'em-up side-quests/mini-games is not romances as Gromnir would define. am always a bit perturbed that romance in crpgs has become inexplicably linked with the bioware companion mini-game. whenever we sees folks lamenting the absence o' romance in a game when what they is actual requesting is the sex-'em up side-quests, we feels the need to jump in like king kong-- start throwing buses and biplanes in animal rage at tiny villains. ... in retrospect, our reaction is particular appropriate given that king kong were a far better romance story than we has ever seen via the mini-game approach. HA! Good Fun! 5 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amentep Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 As long as the companions are interesting and reactive, I don't feel that romance needs to be in the game. Not every story supports romance (nor should it). 4 I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieSnatcher Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I would like a well written one (no canoodling necessary, at all). I just can't think of any great examples off the top of my head. I guess that makes me a promancer. That said, I'm pretty sure no romance has been established for awhile now. *ducks for cover* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natusake Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 (edited) I would like a well written one (no canoodling necessary, at all). I just can't think of any great examples off the top of my head. I guess that makes me a promancer. That said, I'm pretty sure no romance has been established for awhile now. *ducks for cover* Don't duck for cover, your feelings are the ones people naturally exhibit. I think a good, believe-able romance would be enjoyable. Obsidian did not include romance because they believed they could not do so with the game's budget and still keep attention to all the other aspects they wanted (source: Newegg interview). All said and done, humans still naturally take interest in the opposite sex, or whatever preference they may have. A romance makes people feel good so long as it is believe-able; so long as a romance can give us some feels for the character we are romancing, then the job has been done. The problem with romance in RPGs nowadays is that the characterization of many romancable NPCs is so flawed, unbelievable, or perhaps the 'courting' as it were, is so easy that no satisfaction of the experience nor attachment is achieved, unless the player is aiming for sex and sex only, in which case he has both. But that is once again the pitfall. Relationships are so much more than sex. They are a slow regard of silent things spoken between two people. A whimsical dance of flirtatiousness and yet shyness, a battle between two hearts to wrestle what it is they exactly feel. All's fair in love and war, because love itself is a battle. These things are what make romance, and these are the things which are lacking in RPGs. Sadly, this sort of lacking has caused a distaste for romance in a lot of people. I hope that can be overturned in Obsidian's next Eternity game, so long as they do indeed have enough resources for it. I certainly enjoy a well done romance, hopefully it can happen but it is certainly not required. Whoa there, I sense ton of romanticism in this post. No pun intended... Looks like listening to waltzes in the background changes my writing style quite a bit. Edit: A great example of a romance in which canoodling is not one of the prime components is the romance in the Kingkiller Chronicles (you know what I'm talking about). I has all the elements I mention above, and there is not much kissing and cuddling. Of course, this is a romance in a book, but I believe it still applies. Edited July 4, 2014 by Natusake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leferd Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Restrict romances in Eternity at a brothel. And by romances, I mean quid pro quo. As in prostitution. Exchange of legal tender for nookie. "Things are funny...are comedic, because they mix the real with the absurd." - Buzz Aldrin."P-O-T-A-T-O-E" - Dan Quayle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManifestedISO Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 With apologies to Nepenthe. All Stop. On Screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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