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I did not contribute to the campaign, those that did are keeping tight lips about it. To be honest I would have preferred an Enemy Codexian Adventuring Party that would be the hardest fight in the game ;) But they changed from that to an Inn.

That's a great idea.  Their party name could have been the "Goon Squad" and they would be world renown for only fighting on the side of reviled dictators and tyrants.  In battle they would constantly fling insults as well and when one of them died they would say "I am suspending my belief!"

 

 

 

Not quite a good joke, because in the real world, the Dictators and Tyrants would be EA, Activision Blizzard, Microsoft, Console companies etc - and the Codex would never support those.

 

They were actually going to do an Adventuring Party at one stage, but they changed their mind because Inns are more "memorable" I think.


Edited by Sensuki, 13 May 2014 - 05:23 PM.


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Not quite a good joke, because in the real world, the Dictators and Tyrants would be EA, Activision Blizzard, Microsoft, Console companies etc - and the Codex would never support those.

 

They were actually going to do an Adventuring Party at one stage, but they changed their mind because Inns are more "memorable" I think.

 

Yeah we are going to agree to disagree on your opinion of publishers.

 

That said they are wrong.  I couldn't tell you the name of even one inn from BG2, or BG at all other than the Friendly Arm.  I do remember the adventuring party spoof/mini events clear as yesterday though.


Edited by Karkarov, 13 May 2014 - 06:05 PM.


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I'm with you there, although I do remember a lot of the Inn names, particularly the BG1 ones. EA are, by definition tyrannical ;) They were the most hated company in America in 2012 and 3rd in 2013.


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I remember more inns than I do names for them but off the top of my head:

 

BG1: Elfsong Tavern, Blade and Stars, Cloak and Helm, Blushing Mermaid, Shop of Silence (she'd let you kip on the floor), The Red Sheaf Inn, Candlekeep Inn,  The Nashkel Inn,

BG2: The Inn of the seven veils, The Sea's Bounty, (Edit: Five Flagons, Crooked Crane,)

... .... and er, that's it off the top of my head.  Can't remember the name of the one in Trademeet, though I remember the Inn itself.  Also that one in the Drow City and the one in Brynnlaw.

 

I also fondly remember the enemy parties, though not usually by name, just by encounter.


Edited by Silent Winter, 13 May 2014 - 08:25 PM.


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Splurging Sturgeon (the one with the Coran/Brielbara quest), also the ship at the docks I believe was an Inn too (part of Brielbara's quest IIRC).

Copper Coronet.


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How could I forget the Copper Coronet?

Ship at docks in BG1 was the Low-Lantern (I remember them when my memory is nudged)

so yeah - quite a lot of memorable inns - mostly when they're involved in quests but also when they've got something unique like interesting NPCs



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Yeah I'll never forget my first time encountering those chicks on the second floor of the low lantern. "Would you like to join us for some entropy pleasure?" ME: YES PLZ 8==D only to be met by a Longsword and spells. My dreams as a child were ruined :(


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Speaking of Inn names, I work in an office attached to a manufacturing plant, and we print a lot of manufacturing-related reports, and one of them is entitled the "Three Upright Arms Summary." I immediately thought "... that's an inn in fantasy-somewhere." 8)
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maybe next time there is an option (contest, maybe) for people who aren't rich but still dedicated fans to have an opportunity to contribute. I'm sure many of us are envious of those backers who could. I certainly am.



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maybe next time there is an option (contest, maybe) for people who aren't rich but still dedicated fans to have an opportunity to contribute. I'm sure many of us are envious of those backers who could. I certainly am.

Well, the forums that have an Inn put out surveys to every user that put money into the general PayPal to get it.



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yeah, but I don;t frequent those forums, and didn't learn about it till yesterday.

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yeah, but I don;t frequent those forums, and didn't learn about it till yesterday.

I'm just relaying information pertaining to what you ask.

 

I very highly doubt what you suggest can (or should) be done on as a crowdfunding tier.



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There could be different ways to do it. You could send an E-mail out to everyone who backed telling them that there is a contests for those who care. You could put in a lottery of sorts (though that is less fair, imo)

As far as I'm concerned it shouldn't even have to be limited to backers.

I just don't believe wealth is a fair discriminator for who could or could not contribute something awesome. There are many poor (or just not as well off) people out there who might have really awesome ideas, or would be just really thrilled at the opportunity, but can't pay an inordinate amount to get their content in.

I'm not saying that everyone ever should be able to post content and expect to find it in the game, but creating an opportunity for those dedicated fans to at least have a chance at such a thing would have been a bro thing to do.

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I just don't believe wealth is a fair discriminator for who could or could not contribute something awesome. There are many poor (or just not as well off) people out there who might have really awesome ideas, or would be just really thrilled at the opportunity, but can't pay an inordinate amount to get their content in.

JFSOCC, I really do not believe that you actually think it's discrimination.



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There could be different ways to do it. You could send an E-mail out to everyone who backed telling them that there is a contests for those who care. You could put in a lottery of sorts (though that is less fair, imo)


I may be misremembering, but IIRC Kickstarter forbids contests/lotteries based on backing which makes sense as you'd have people who pledged the same tier getting different backer rewards. I'm pretty sure at least one kickstarter I had joined ran into that issue.

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There could be different ways to do it. You could send an E-mail out to everyone who backed telling them that there is a contests for those who care. You could put in a lottery of sorts (though that is less fair, imo)


I may be misremembering, but IIRC Kickstarter forbids contests/lotteries based on backing which makes sense as you'd have people who pledged the same tier getting different backer rewards. I'm pretty sure at least one kickstarter I had joined ran into that issue.

 

Besides the TOS:

 

1) What would the incentive to pledge higher be if everything was a lottery?

2) Giving stuff away for free defeats the purpose of fundraising.

3) While Obsidian could have made lotteries, it would be akin to the Add-Ons rather than towards an actual reward tier. The best example I can think of is if Obsidian showed us concept art for 3-4 party members, and we got to pick which one ended up in the game due to voting. Votes would be gained through Add-Ons. Each new party member update would reveal the winner and start the process over again.



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so, they'd have 50 paid options for people to add their own weapon, and they'd add 3 in a contest, after the kickstarter. How is that unfair? If you want to be sure, you can still pay for the backer option. If you can't afford to, then you can wait for the contest and hope for the best.

I think that is actually *more* fair. besides, I highly doubt it would cost them any backers for that tier. Those who can afford to aren't going to risk it when there is a certain option.

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The Crowd-funding model is you pay to contribute content. You don't pay you don't get to contribute (unless you get hired).
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so, they'd have 50 paid options for people to add their own weapon, and they'd add 3 in a contest, after the kickstarter. How is that unfair? If you want to be sure, you can still pay for the backer option. If you can't afford to, then you can wait for the contest and hope for the best.

I think that is actually *more* fair. besides, I highly doubt it would cost them any backers for that tier. Those who can afford to aren't going to risk it when there is a certain option.


Ignoring the potential breach of the Terms of Service, you seem to miss the point that the extras are incentives for people to pay money to fund a game that is only going to exist if they make their funding. Why would they want to create a dis-incentive for paying as much as one can (and thus insuring they make their target)?

How is the raffle unfair? Its unfair to the people who pledged the money to get those tiers that rewarded backer content. Remember Kickstarter is not a store. You don't go in and say "Yes, I'd like to order one 'PROJECT ETERNITY' and I'd like a side order of 'being able to create content' please". You're putting your own money forward with an inherent risk that you will get nothing for your investment. And for taking that risk, Obsidian is giving the ability to shape a very small part of the game *if* the game got funded.

As an aside at least three posters here who did pledge for backer content ran their own contests for the tombstones they had in their pledge tiers. The contest lasted about three weeks all told as I recall. But they did that on their own, covering their own pledges and it did give forumites here a chance to offer their own wit for a chance to be included in the game (and I thought it was magnanimous of those posters to do it).

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The idea of the raffle in itself in not unfair, but it would need to be something publicized OUTSIDE of Kickstarter. Such as, you wouldn't be able to put "$10,000 - make a weapon (limited to 50, but 3 will be done outside Kickstarter and for free)".

 

I think your main hangup is why didn't Obsidian themselves do this. Because there were plenty of contests, raffles, and participatory events done outside of the actual Kickstarter.


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