Dragon Age: Inquistion

[IndiraLightfoot]

 

 

Don't forget ticks, and I don't mean them awful bugs.

 

Last I heard the cool kids were talking about proccing

 

 

Ahem. See my post right above yours?

[BruceVC]

So even Monte falls to the deathly trap of romance.

 

 

Funniest post of the week, Monte welcome to the army of the promancers. Monte you have loads of work to do to redeem yourself but I am confident we can find a place for you

[Nepenthe]

 

 

 

Don't forget ticks, and I don't mean them awful bugs.

 

Last I heard the cool kids were talking about proccing

 

 

Ahem. See my post right above yours?

 

 

 

Nah, I'm ignoring you.

 

No, not really, didn't notice it.

[NOK222]

That elf girl has seen **** and **** accesories

Edited May 2, 2014 by NKKKK

[Orogun01]

Or she just had surprise buttsex from an invisible man.

[Wrath of Dagon]

An update from David Gaider : http://www.gamebanshee.com/news/113639-david-gaider-on-dragon-age-inquisition-s-current-state.html

 

Every cut feels like it’s reducing the overall quality of the game, until there are so many of them you feel like you’re producing a piece of crap—until you remind yourself that every game goes through this, and the alternative is shipping late or not at all.

Surprised he'd admit that, and doesn't seem to bode well.

[NOK222]

Meh, they've had more than enough production time than the 11 month mess of Dragon Age 2. 

[tajerio]

An update from David Gaider : http://www.gamebanshee.com/news/113639-david-gaider-on-dragon-age-inquisition-s-current-state.html

 

Every cut feels like it’s reducing the overall quality of the game, until there are so many of them you feel like you’re producing a piece of crap—until you remind yourself that every game goes through this, and the alternative is shipping late or not at all.

Surprised he'd admit that, and doesn't seem to bode well.

 

 

Gaider has said that applies to every game he's worked on.  So I don't think any conclusions about DA:I specifically could be drawn from that little tidbit.

[Wrath of Dagon]

I'm not sure it's literally every game, may be the last three games. I know even KOTOR had a planned planet cut, but that was in the early stages and I think only the story was written and nothing else was done.

[tajerio]

I'm not sure it's literally every game, may be the last three games. I know even KOTOR had a planned planet cut, but that was in the early stages and I think only the story was written and nothing else was done.

 

Well, all games that both a) have a modicum of ambition and b) want to be polished end up with a lot of stuff on the cutting room floor, and everything that's cut was something someone worked on.  I imagine what Gaider says there has fairly broad application across the industry.

[Bryy]

An update from David Gaider : http://www.gamebanshee.com/news/113639-david-gaider-on-dragon-age-inquisition-s-current-state.html

 

Every cut feels like it’s reducing the overall quality of the game, until there are so many of them you feel like you’re producing a piece of crap—until you remind yourself that every game goes through this, and the alternative is shipping late or not at all.

Surprised he'd admit that, and doesn't seem to bode well.

 

Why?

 

That's why the phrase is "kill your darlings", not "kill your things you're decent with".

[Monte Carlo]

The off-cuts can always be re-packaged as DLC, right?

[Tale]

The off-cuts can always be re-packaged as DLC, right?

Not always. Cut content doesn't always repurpose well, it might be too particular to a storyline of the main game or too small to bother with. And they might have other DLC plans.

 

So it depends.

[Drowsy Emperor]

Poor Bioware, always trying to sit on two chairs at once. 

 

http://www.ausgamers.com/news/read/3432885/dragon-age-inquisition-will-feature-complex-romance-and-characters-with-one-solid-sexual-orientation-bioware

 

Hamsters and rangers everywhere rejoice, for "characters with one solid sexual orientation" have now become a game feature that has to be pointed out.

 

Is there anything from DAII they they haven't made an effort to distance themselves from?

Edited May 5, 2014 by Drowsy Emperor

[Gromnir]

even a game as well-liked as bg2 got sizable cuts.  you probably thought to yourself that those wilderness maps that became available after you returned from the underdark felt strangely empty. well, those maps originally had more content... considerable more. am recalling that gaider also mentioned some material that woulda' developed irenicus more/better also got cut. 

 

frequently, the creator o' a thing is least able to see when cuts is necessary. as an example, some authors need an editor. an author has this Vision and the vision in his (aside: masculine pronouns in English is technically also appropriate as gender neutral, so am not being sexist by saying "his,") head is perfect. the thing is, it ain't likely to be perfect for anybody but the author. an editor is helpful in making perfect vision accessible to somebody other than the author. 'course, james joyce spent years trying to get dubliners published the way he wrote it 'cause he wouldn't let some jackarse editor/publisher mess with his stuff. 

 

*shrug*

 

games is kinda different 'cause we suspect most cut material is not to make game better, but to save money/time. developers Vision ain't being altered in an attempt to make better, but simple to make smaller-- cut least necessary stuff.  well, guess what, developers is having a difficult time looking at their complete work and seeing bloat. 

 

perhaps developers should go ahead and from day 1 plan for amputation. add an extra arm or leg knowing that near end something is gonna need be cut. am not genuine serious, btw... not 'bout planning for bloat.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Monte Carlo]

 

 

 

some authors need an editor

 

Having been there and done that, 99.9% of authors need an editor. I need, on average, four or five re-writes.

[tajerio]

Is there anything from DAII they they haven't made an effort to distance themselves from?

 

"Dragon" is still in the title.  

[Amentep]

 

Is there anything from DAII they they haven't made an effort to distance themselves from?

 

"Dragon" is still in the title.

 

So is "Age".

 

And "Inquisition" has at least two I's.

[Drowsy Emperor]

Devious, they are.

[Sega-Apollyon]

The first was great, the second despite the story, not epic at all for one time , was too simplified. I hope Bioware are learn of theirs mistakes for the sake of the ip.

[Wrath of Dagon]

 

I'm not sure it's literally every game, may be the last three games. I know even KOTOR had a planned planet cut, but that was in the early stages and I think only the story was written and nothing else was done.

Well, all games that both a) have a modicum of ambition and b) want to be polished end up with a lot of stuff on the cutting room floor, and everything that's cut was something someone worked on.  I imagine what Gaider says there has fairly broad application across the industry.

 

There's a difference between cutting fat and cutting bone. I guess we'll see which was the case here. I don't think you can make a great game without taking the time to get it right, cutting good content for the sake of profitability is something I expect from an assembly shop, not a crafted game. "Across the industry", sure, I think the tipping point where greed surpassed artistic integrity has happened some time ago.

[NOK222]

If the game ends up blowing, then it'll blow, I don't think this is going to be a repeat of DAII though. 

[HoonDing]

At the very least it will be a fun game.

[BruceVC]

At the very least it will be a fun game.

 

I'm honestly of the view that DA:I is going to be an amazing game. I think Bioware has learnt from the past mistakes of DA2 and the gameplay and fun factor of DA:I is going to blow us away

[Monte Carlo]

If I do get it, I think I'll give it a go on the PS4. I've never really played an RPG on a console before so it's about time I tried.