Sarex Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Transcript of Putin's conversation with reporters today Very interesting article, looking forward to the continuation of it. My dear colleague, look how well trained the people who operated in Kiev were. As we all know they were trained at special bases in neighbouring states: in Lithuania, Poland and in Ukraine itself too. They were trained by instructors for extended periods. They were divided into dozens and hundreds, their actions were coordinated, they had good communication systems. It was all like clockwork. Did you see them in action? They looked very professional, like special forces. Why do you think those in Crimea should be any worse? What do you find funny there, it is obvious that the protestors in Kiev were trained and it's not hard to point a finger at who trained them. So why shouldn't the Russians do the same. "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilloutman Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I feel exhausted about talking someone who support Russian invasion into Ukraine. And Sarex I dont know if you doing it on purpose but you only pick few parts of my posts and seems like ignore rest eg. context. so facts 1. Ukraine is sovereign country (in time of chaos) 2. Ukraine got 3rd biggest nuclear arsenal before treaty with Russia which Russia just breaks 3. Huge number of people were deported to Gulags where they DIED and russians moved in to Russificate Crimeria 4. There are gas pipes over Ukraine which cost Russia big pile of money 5. Russia have to pay for their sea base big buck to Ukraine so they are still major power in black and middleterean sea 6. Police was killing protesters who where freezing all winter on square (note I agree that there may be provocaters on both sides) 7. Ukraine may end up as part of EU (even I doubt it now) 8. Putin is selfcentric KGB madman who still glorify Soviet Union as best years for Russia - he sad that breakup of union was biggest mistake of this century 9. Russians soldiers are running invasion without IDs on their uniforms fact you proven 1. there are russians in Ukraine 2. There are some right sector running around during time of chaos in Ukraine (doubt there are not any nacionalist russians) 1 I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Transcript of Putin's conversation with reporters today Very interesting article, looking forward to the continuation of it. My dear colleague, look how well trained the people who operated in Kiev were. As we all know they were trained at special bases in neighbouring states: in Lithuania, Poland and in Ukraine itself too. They were trained by instructors for extended periods. They were divided into dozens and hundreds, their actions were coordinated, they had good communication systems. It was all like clockwork. Did you see them in action? They looked very professional, like special forces. Why do you think those in Crimea should be any worse? What do you find funny there, it is obvious that the protestors in Kiev were trained and it's not hard to point a finger at who trained them. So why shouldn't the Russians do the same. Or just Crimeans hire some private army for protection in landsknecht style. But paranoidal West want scary Russian invasion. These pic show Russian soldiers really looks like (they are sleep, photo from military exercise week ago). Booo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I feel exhausted about talking someone who support Russian invasion into Ukraine. And Sarex I dont know if you doing it on purpose but you only pick few parts of my posts and seems like ignore rest eg. context. so facts 1. Ukraine is sovereign country (in time of chaos) 2. Ukraine got 3rd biggest nuclear arsenal before treaty with Russia which Russia just breaks 3. Huge number of people were deported to Gulags where they DIED and russians moved in to Russificate Crimeria 4. There are gas pipes over Ukraine which cost Russia big pile of money 5. Russia have to pay for their sea base big buck to Ukraine so they are still major power in black and middleterean sea 6. Police was killing protesters who where freezing all winter on square (note I agree that there may be provocaters on both sides) 7. Ukraine may end up as part of EU (even I doubt it now) 8. Putin is selfcentric KGB madman who still glorify Soviet Union as best years for Russia - he sad that breakup of union was biggest mistake of this century 9. Russians soldiers are running invasion without IDs on their uniforms fact you proven 1. there are russians in Ukraine 2. There are some right sector running around during time of chaos in Ukraine (doubt there are not any nacionalist russians) Derp! 1. Because revolution (Maidan) old Ukraine die. New state yet not formed, just chaos (Russian Empire <> USSR). 2. We (and US) not ratified this treaty, its just paper. Anyway its treaty with non existed today old Ukrainian state. 3. Derrp again. Crimea and East Ukraine never inhabitted by Ukrainians, this lands settled by Russians in XVI century. 4. Ok 5. Black and Mediterranian sea is not important. 6. Third side killing protesters and police 7. No, EU not needed yet another Greece 8. Putin is businessman, true capitalist and political genious. 9. Only in your wet fantsies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Did I missed it but it seems Putin's little invasion is highly unpopular in Russia according to Putin's own pollsters. LMAO http://wciom.ru/index.php?id=459&uid=114720 Need a Russian to translate if possible to confirm if this yahoo article is telling the truthz of poll: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/4-reasons-putin-already-losing-ukraine-211452971.html?vp=1 Interesting if true. It seems according to Putin who claims to protect Russians.. Russians don't want to protect their fellow 'Russians'. Hmm. If the article lies, for shame. "I am starting to get confused. Where's the invasion?"\ Foreign forces enter another country unilaterally. That is the very defintiion of an invasion. Edited March 4, 2014 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 And now, they decide to test an ICBM, hah. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagaziel Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 Did I missed it but it seems Putin's little invasion is highly unpopular in Russia according to Putin's own pollsters. LMAO Russian stocks started falling down and the ruble hit an all time low. People will be pissed off. Putin's increasingly off his rocker. HMIC for: [ The Wasteland Wiki ] [ Pillars of Eternity Wiki ] [ Tyranny Wiki ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 No one believes for a second that there are no Russian soldiers. Obviously they are coordinating with local separatist forces. 1 Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Estonia and Latvia, historically independent nations? Surely you are joking. I don't question their independence, but throughout history they have sadly almost constantly been a part of one empire or another. And, of course, no mention of Lithuania. Probably because last time it was independent it was 'invited' but declined to join Poland followed by, wait for it, a 'spontaneous' invasion to snatch areas with a large Polish minority, to, oh the irony "defend the rights of self determination of local Poles and against international agreements". Plus ça change... And there is 60% of population russian in Ukraine? No only in one part, its like part of Paris become independed because there is African mayority in that PART Crimea is a distinct and integral region geographically, any glance at a map can confirm that. A Paris suburb is not. Using that argument only ~5% of the population of the British Isles is Irish. As such, Britain should still rule Ireland as there is only a local majority of Irish in one particular region. Same for Scotland, only with double the percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 John Kerry stop being drunk and US surrender. http://www.euronews.com/2014/03/04/john-kerry-calls-on-moscow-to-withdraw-troops-and-negotiate-with-ukraine/ http://www.atlantico.fr/decryptage/crise-en-ukraine-panique-bourses-occidentales-mais-profite-economie-russe-999796.html Ok, you can close this thread, nothing do here more. Next turn must do Chinese comrades. Buye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 A concern I have is the treaty that was basically "Give us all your nukes and we'll help protect you" which if no one does, turns into "haha I bet you still wish you had that nuclear arsenal as some sort of deterrence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Russian History professor loses his job for comparing Putin's acts with Hitler's actions regarding Anschluss and beyond 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Harper wishes he could do that. Well...nearly can anyway. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Crimean Tatars feeling pressure on both sides Related tweet: Crimean Tatars deliver food to Ukraine troops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mor Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 A concern I have is the treaty that was basically "Give us all your nukes and we'll help protect you" which if no one does, turns into "haha I bet you still wish you had that nuclear arsenal as some sort of deterrence!I think Obama threatened to unfriend Putin on Facebook, this is something right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmp10 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 A concern I have is the treaty that was basically "Give us all your nukes and we'll help protect you" which if no one does, turns into "haha I bet you still wish you had that nuclear arsenal as some sort of deterrence! That 'protect you' part was just for the sake of courtesy. No sane superpower would trust Ukraine with nuclear arsenal and especially not at the time. There was never any way for them to hold on to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mor Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Typical propaganda about KGB under bed. Pro-West supporters is democratic citiezens while counterpart's supporters are reptiloids enemy agents (all 20 000).Because.. you say so? oby, I find your avatar so apt, considering that during the course of this thread you have been doing everything to delegitimize the Ukrainian anti corruption protest. iirc so far you tried to paint them as nothing but nazis, terrorist, nationalist, us/west drones etc etc. For all intent and purposes you are a Russian propaganda tool. While I usually take everything with a grain of salt especially in times like this with fast evolving conflict on our hands, I am also familiar with the idea of blitzkrieg and disinformation campaigns, and so far Russia has completely drained my good faith resrves. Bottom line they Russia has been steering the pot from the start (even before euromaiden), Russia is violating Ukrainian Sovereignty and their promises, Russia don't give a F*** about solving this solution, they want to secure a forward base by use of force if necessary. Also I love the "spontaneous" out breaks of support; and division of outfitted men who knew where, how and when to take strategic objectives with precision, take communication lines etc.. Overall Putin wins the spin doctor of the year award.. he can also win the best actor award considering how he describe the unfounded everyone's sentiments toward Russian actions with a plain face.. Also while I usually HATE the use of emotional images especially those that involve kids, that try to sway the discussion from logic, in this case i'll just repost this for you: No, the fundamental difference is that Putin is reacting to the fascist putsch in Ukraine and, until proven otherwise, he has no ambitions of annexing parts of Ukraine or other ex-Soviet republics to restore an anachronistic sense of national or ethnic pride.Of course! please allow me to correct my previous statement by adding propaganda to the list of similarities to your comparison to Munich Agreement, on top of Putin's Authoritarian rule, his foreign policy and irredentism under pretext of protecting Russians ... Edited March 4, 2014 by Mor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) The ICBM test launch was apparently known and planned well beforehand. US and Russian stories corroborate each other on this regard and I'm inclined to think it wasn't just Russia going trollface on everyone. US will not attend G8 summit in Sochi unless Russia withdraws Edited March 5, 2014 by alanschu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 The ICBM test launch was apparently known and planned well beforehand. US and Russian stories corroborate each other on this regard and I'm inclined to think it wasn't just Russia going trollface on everyone. US will not attend G8 summit in Sochi unless Russia withdraws Well obviously, so, just had to chuckle at them going ahead with it - caused quite a stir on the reddit thread I was reading. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) No, the fundamental difference is that Putin is reacting to the fascist putsch in Ukraine and, until proven otherwise, he has no ambitions of annexing parts of Ukraine or other ex-Soviet republics to restore an anachronistic sense of national or ethnic pride.Of course! please allow me to correct my previous statement by adding propaganda to the list of similarities to your comparison to Munich Agreement, on top of Putin's Authoritarian rule, his foreign policy and irredentism under pretext of protecting Russians ... Of course! Anything that isn't on Wikipedia or otherwise doesn't agree with your views is "propaganda"! Even if it is in a Wikipedia citation! And of course, the first "I'm Feeling Lucky" Google results that you copypaste without even fully reading are to be considered pearls of wisdom so clear that they would leave the ****ing Dalai Lama gaping vapidly! But of course! Edited March 5, 2014 by 213374U 1 - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mor Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) are you sure you want to get on that high horse over calling Euromaiden demonstrations "fascist putsch in Ukraine"... maybe you should pick better Wikipedia citations... Edited March 5, 2014 by Mor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Looks like you haven't been reading the thread, either. Color me surprised! 1 - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mor Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) So you don't think that "Euromaiden demonstrations" were "fascist putsch in Ukraine"? if so please enlighten me where exactly it became a fascist putsch ( I hope it is not yet again the demagoguery over language ) Edited March 5, 2014 by Mor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I won't dispute that the situation is a lot murkier with the way the current interim government came to be and the fact that some won't agree with how it came to power and whether or not it is legitimate. To be honest I hadn't really been following this too closely until troops got involved, so I'd have to look more into the removal of the government before I could say I (dis)agree with referring to it as a fascist putsch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augusta Corvina Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 The ICBM test launch was apparently known and planned well beforehand. US and Russian stories corroborate each other on this regard and I'm inclined to think it wasn't just Russia going trollface on everyone. US will not attend G8 summit in Sochi unless Russia withdraws So I heard, but wouldn't the smart thing be to refrain from doing the test while still in a crisis that risks spinning even more out of control? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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