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Surely there's got to be more coming, a GTX 960Ti hopefully at least. As it stands the efficiency is nice but other than that it's an HD7950/R9 280, a two-year-old product at the same price/performance point. Granted, the 960 becomes the better buy most likely (unless you're pushing a lot of pixels - more than 1080p - in which case it might start to fall behind) but in terms of the overall product landscape it isn't really making waves. Given the all conquering GTX 970 launch at least, people could be forgiven for expecting more than this. There's a huge hole in the nVidia product range as a result, so hopefully it's filled sooner rather than later.



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I would say the GTX960 seems to be the price to performance king at $200 right now.  It seems about the same, maybe a hair more powerful on average than a R9 285 at 1080p (let's face it, if you're going to run 1440p or 4k, you're not buying a $200 video card, so any benchmark above 1080p is irrelevant), which is a card going for about $20 more, as of right now (that may change very soon).  Nvidia does indeed have a gap in its lineup at the $250 price point right now.



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Put my Nepton 280l in (repurposed the 2xA15 from the nocuta cooler instead of the stock fans), same temps, same noise, but at least my first pci-express slot is free now.



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I feel like 2 gigs of ram on the 960 could end up holding it back sooner rather than later.



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I would say the GTX960 seems to be the price to performance king at $200 right now.  It seems about the same, maybe a hair more powerful on average than a R9 285 at 1080p (let's face it, if you're going to run 1440p or 4k, you're not buying a $200 video card, so any benchmark above 1080p is irrelevant), which is a card going for about $20 more, as of right now (that may change very soon).  Nvidia does indeed have a gap in its lineup at the $250 price point right now.


Wouldn't the 280X be a better value?

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I would say the GTX960 seems to be the price to performance king at $200 right now.  It seems about the same, maybe a hair more powerful on average than a R9 285 at 1080p (let's face it, if you're going to run 1440p or 4k, you're not buying a $200 video card, so any benchmark above 1080p is irrelevant), which is a card going for about $20 more, as of right now (that may change very soon).  Nvidia does indeed have a gap in its lineup at the $250 price point right now.


Wouldn't the 280X be a better value?

 

That's definitely debatable.  The R9 280X is certainly a little bit more powerful, but it's also about $40 - $50 more expensive.


Edited by Keyrock, 22 January 2015 - 04:10 PM.


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It's not a price-performance king at all, indeed it does not advance the price-performance metric at all, strictly speaking. But what it does is that approximately matches AMD in that respect, so it does make nVidia finally competitive in that market segment for the first time in a while.

...at least in theory. I'll never really understand the US hardware market with seemingly every second product having a mail-in rebate and various other pricing shenanigans. The suggested retail price of the GTX 960 is competitive and given the assumptions of 1080p gaming and cards being sold at SRP, it'd be the pick for that price point. On the other hand, you have the R9 280 apparently going for $150 after rebate, a card that performs approximately the same but less efficiently at 1080p, and which pulls ahead the higher you go - and yes, you can get viable options for 1440p at $200, and as this card shows, at $150. If you can find a clearance HD 7950, it's even better value, being essentially the same product as the 280. The power savings of a 960 will never add up to that kind of price difference over the lifetime of the product.

The other thing that kind of spoils this launch is the $250ish and dropping R9 290s, which is probably my pick of the midrange at the moment (though I'd add $10-20 for custom cooler version), beating out the 960 by ~50% for 25% more money. Hopefully this is the price-performance ratio that any hypothetical 960Ti aims at.


TL;DR version: GTX 970 was nVidia knocking the socks off AMD. GTX 960 is it gently ambling up to AMD and muttering "hey, I'm here, kinda".


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I would say the GTX960 seems to be the price to performance king at $200 right now. It seems about the same, maybe a hair more powerful on average than a R9 285 at 1080p (let's face it, if you're going to run 1440p or 4k, you're not buying a $200 video card, so any benchmark above 1080p is irrelevant), which is a card going for about $20 more, as of right now (that may change very soon). Nvidia does indeed have a gap in its lineup at the $250 price point right now.


Wouldn't the 280X be a better value?

That's definitely debatable. The R9 280X is certainly a little bit more powerful, but it's also about $40 - $50 more expensive.


Yeah, never liked where the 280X was positioned. But as mentioned, both the regular 280 at $150 and and the regular 290 at $250 are very much better value. Newegg prices though, so international customers might not get the crazy good deals Americans tend to get.

Edited by Humanoid, 22 January 2015 - 04:40 PM.


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Sure, if you can get a R9 280 at $150 that's a killer deal.  I wasn't factoring in rebates.  Regular prices, as of now, for the R9 280 (no rebates included) are in the same ballpark as the GTX960 (often about $10 cheaper) and the GTX960 is just about always faster at 1080p.  And don't give me this 1440p bull****.  NOBODY seriously wanting to game at 1440p is buying a ****ing R9 280 or a GTX960.  I know you're not that stupid so please, do me a ****ing favor and don't try to assume other people are that stupid.  You're not doing anyone any favors by implying some people on here might be stupid.  Could you feasibly in theory game at 1440p on a R9 280?  Technically yes, but with sacrifices and no path for the future without buying another card.  Would anyone with even half a brain who invested in a 1440p monitor be buying a video card in the $200 range?  Absolutely not.  So don't try that stupid crap, that's just ridiculous.  If you're going for 1440p you're buying AT LEAST a GTX970 or a R9 290X, period.  


Edited by Keyrock, 22 January 2015 - 06:23 PM.


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That ....escalated quickly. shocked.gif

 

On topic: Cliff notes for new gaming GPU purchases with current US prices: 970 > 290 > 280 > save for a 280.

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https://forums.gefor...430032/#4430032

 

Hm, wonder if this is a driver issue.  Hopefully it is.



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Scrapped the 280l, will try to return it tomorrow. The pump on the thing is god awful, at least as far as the noise is concerned. My next try will probably be Corsair GT 110, if/when it appears in my country.

 

Considering going for the 980gtx, will probably go for the 970gtx as performance is 10% less but the price is 30% less.



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That 970 memory issue where it will lag bad once you go over 3gb vram, is a deal breaker for me


Edited by Bokishi, 24 January 2015 - 11:56 AM.


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Yeah, that issue makes the whole "4GB RAM" somewhat misleading. Obviously the RAM is physically there, but it could just as well not be.

A (pair of?) 980 is out of the question then?

Edited by samm, 24 January 2015 - 12:08 PM.


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http://www.pcper.com...GB-Memory-Issue



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Hm...hopefully a lot of people panic and try to sell their 970s. I can get one for cheap then :D

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NVIDIA talked a bit more about the 970 issue

 

http://www.pcper.com...tations-GTX-970



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NVIDIA talked a bit more about the 970 issue

Sounds more like "around" than "about" to me...



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Sounds more like "around" than "about" to me...

 

Well they won't come out and say "You get what you paid for!".



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Note to self: buy the 980 for a new rig. Unless there's a new series that's better, by this Fall/Winter. Then that one.


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The limitation in the GTX 970 doesn't seem to be showing in any benchmarks when comapred to the 980, whether that's average fps or frame time, even at the highest settings. Are we buying GPU for synthetic benchmarks or real world performance? Reviewers are trying to produce evidence of this limiation in game benchmarks.


Nvidia still gave out false specifications, that should be an automatic refund for false advertising. If Nvidia had sold the card with this information, the GTX 970 is still the best deal on the market, even at 3.5GB it would still be the best deal, if it were to be found to effect game performance significantly then that's a bigger issue.

That 970 memory issue where it will lag bad once you go over 3gb vram, is a deal breaker for me


It effects the last 512MB, not the last 1024MB.

Yeah, that issue makes the whole "4GB RAM" somewhat misleading. Obviously the RAM is physically there, but it could just as well not be.


An Nvidia engineer has stated that the 512MB is still around 4 times faster than system memory, and the GPU still has 224 GB/s bandwidth if memory is being accessed from both pools. The only time bandwidth is 28 GB/s is when the GPU is only accessing the 512MB pool, and it's possible for the OS, drivers, and game engine to stop that happening.




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