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A Spell-free Project Eternity?

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I'm an Indian eremit guru without a thread on me body and who eats me own poo-poo, can I please have the option to have a party that do not have belongings at all, including clothing?

 

Also, I want holy effects from rare excrements.  As a coprophagist, I prefer the finest lark droppings simmered in water buffalo dung.


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I'm an Indian eremit guru without a thread on me body and who eats me own poo-poo, can I please have the option to have a party that do not have belongings at all, including clothing?

 

Also, I want holy effects from rare excrements.  As a coprophagist, I prefer the finest lark droppings simmered in water buffalo dung.

play monk.


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At some point i'll probably do a runthrough as a puritan paladin, who despises magic and such devilry not born of the divine, it will probably ramp up the difficulty of the game but i'd be in favour of such a runthrough being viable.


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No offense, but I don't see a particular need to design the game in order not to offend the religious beliefs of one person. There are other games out there from which to choose. Try Wasteland 2 or such.

 

P.S. The moral panic over D&D permanently burned out my interest in placating the religious groups over gaming. If we let this one slip through, then more demands are sure to follow. Just... no.


Edited by rjshae, 20 January 2013 - 06:41 AM.


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No offense, but I don't see a particular need to design the game in order not to offend the religious beliefs of one person. There are other games out there from which to choose. Try Wasteland 2 or such.

 

P.S. The moral panic over D&D permanently burned out my interest in placating the religious groups over gaming. If we let this one slip through, then more demands are sure to follow. Just... no.

 

Did you ever see the film "Mazes and Monsters" (1982) with a very young looking Tom Hanks as a roleplay-addicted college teen? Not a great IMDB score by any means, but it came about from all the negative press D&D received around that time. It's a crying shame there was so much misunderstanding back then. I'm just grateful it was able to withstand the test of time.



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No offense, but I don't see a particular need to design the game in order not to offend the religious beliefs of one person. There are other games out there from which to choose. Try Wasteland 2 or such.

 

P.S. The moral panic over D&D permanently burned out my interest in placating the religious groups over gaming. If we let this one slip through, then more demands are sure to follow. Just... no.

 

Did you ever see the film "Mazes and Monsters" (1982) with a very young looking Tom Hanks as a roleplay-addicted college teen? Not a great IMDB score by any means, but it came about from all the negative press D&D received around that time. It's a crying shame there was so much misunderstanding back then. I'm just grateful it was able to withstand the test of time.

 

Yes I did. The fact that some of the most decent people I ever knew were gamers flew in the face of all that nonsense. But it did leave me deeply skeptical about organized religion.



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I'm partial to certain Jack Chick tracts meself...



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No offense, but I don't see a particular need to design the game in order not to offend the religious beliefs of one person. There are other games out there from which to choose. Try Wasteland 2 or such.

 

P.S. The moral panic over D&D permanently burned out my interest in placating the religious groups over gaming. If we let this one slip through, then more demands are sure to follow. Just... no.

He's not asking that all spells be removed, hes asking that the game be completable without them, which it probably will be anyway.

 

You shouldn't treat every religious person as if they are identical zombies - far from it - and while there are certainly obnoxious people out there, there are plenty of reasonable people out there who are religious and willing to let others get on with their lives.  It's just that the idiots who cry witchhunt if they see someone reading Harry Potter on the bus are just a lot more vocal than everyone else.  The only way that you can stop this being an issue is to have some dialogue with religion - not the extremists of course, but if a regular people are engaged, see something for what it is then it leaves the extremists without a leg to stand on.  


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I'm partial to certain Jack Chick tracts meself...

 

Hahaha... amusing stuff.



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No offense, but I don't see a particular need to design the game in order not to offend the religious beliefs of one person. There are other games out there from which to choose. Try Wasteland 2 or such.

 

P.S. The moral panic over D&D permanently burned out my interest in placating the religious groups over gaming. If we let this one slip through, then more demands are sure to follow. Just... no.

He's not asking that all spells be removed, hes asking that the game be completable without them, which it probably will be anyway.

 

You shouldn't treat every religious person as if they are identical zombies - far from it - and while there are certainly obnoxious people out there, there are plenty of reasonable people out there who are religious and willing to let others get on with their lives.  It's just that the idiots who cry witchhunt if they see someone reading Harry Potter on the bus are just a lot more vocal than everyone else.  The only way that you can stop this being an issue is to have some dialogue with religion - not the extremists of course, but if a regular people are engaged, see something for what it is then it leaves the extremists without a leg to stand on.  

 

I don't believe I did treat this person as an identical zombie; I am arguing that the game shouldn't be designed around one player's moral principles. Get it? I'm disagreeing with the message, rather than the messenger.



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No offense, but I don't see a particular need to design the game in order not to offend the religious beliefs of one person. There are other games out there from which to choose. Try Wasteland 2 or such.

 

P.S. The moral panic over D&D permanently burned out my interest in placating the religious groups over gaming. If we let this one slip through, then more demands are sure to follow. Just... no.

He's not asking that all spells be removed, hes asking that the game be completable without them, which it probably will be anyway.

 

You shouldn't treat every religious person as if they are identical zombies - far from it - and while there are certainly obnoxious people out there, there are plenty of reasonable people out there who are religious and willing to let others get on with their lives.  It's just that the idiots who cry witchhunt if they see someone reading Harry Potter on the bus are just a lot more vocal than everyone else.  The only way that you can stop this being an issue is to have some dialogue with religion - not the extremists of course, but if a regular people are engaged, see something for what it is then it leaves the extremists without a leg to stand on.  

 

I don't believe I did treat this person as an identical zombie; I am arguing that the game shouldn't be designed around one player's moral principles. Get it? I'm disagreeing with the message, rather than the messenger.

Sorry about the way I phrased that, I wasn't really addressing that at you so much as using that as a springboard to try and pre-empt any full on religion-bashing - I've seen quite a lot of Gamers vs Religions with each being openly hostile to the other in a way that just makes matters worse.  As for the around one players principles, it depends on context, and what you mean by one player.

 

To take the game "Smite" that there was a bit of an issue around last year, where there was an issue of it including Hindu Gods and Goddesses in an arena battle game alongside Greek, Viking and Egyptian deities.  I'm not religious in the slightest but you could see that was going to offend people from a mile off and to me if nothing else ts good manners not to include a being or beings that approximatly ONE BILLION people consider to be real in a beat-em-up.   What should have happened was the company should have gone "Oh, we're dreadfully sorry, we didn't really think it through properly, we shall remove them immediatly", but what happened in stead was effectively numerous mssage boards of idiot gamers saying effectively "suck on that organised religion", with the actual company replying basically that they were going to carry on adding more Gods.

 

Which isn't to say that religion shouldn't be allowed in games, far from it, games are as a valid a medium to say what they like as books or film or whatever, but there is a difference between considered inclusion of something, even in such a way as if you were to make a game that specifically critiqued a certain religion, to just going "hey that guys deity looks cool, lets stick them in this fighting game so they can get beaten up!".  We live in a very diverse world and the sooner people work out that other people are different to themselves and the sooner people stop doing things which will offend others because they didn't think about it and it seems fun the happier everyone will be.

 

Equally though there are some cases where Religious people also need to look at things in perspective: I read something somewhere abotu a guy who returned Marvel: Ultimate Alliance to a shop because you had to find 5 candles to form a Pentagram to get through Mepihsto (the Devil Analogues) Realm.  Where its something like that and they aren't familiar enough with their own religion to know that the pentagram was in the past a Christian symbol, and the context of the game where you had just killed hundreds of demons to get these candles, you can fairly safely assume that Captain America isn't a secret demon worshipper.

 

In the case of the thread, yes it may one man's oppinion here, but as we already know it's possible to solo the game this isn't even an issue.  In general, if a game doesn't have a point to make and it's a minor thing to change (or as in this case, not a thing at all), why not fix things to make more people feel comfortable playing your game, and help lessen the bad blood between religion and games?


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Given the number of classes I am not sure why they wouldn't allow the to be possible even if difficult.

 

 

 

How long before someone posts "I am a wizard (a real one) and...." ????

 

:dancing:

Ask you shall receive...

 

But seriously one of the design tools I have used does get refered to as black magic, officially a smith chart, but so do other areas of the field are also called that as well. A certian well known practioners in the past was known as a wizard. :p


Edited by Matthiasa, 20 January 2013 - 08:38 AM.

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Truly, I didn’t expect to have so many people respond, and even less the various tangents.  They are all very interesting.

 

Just to clarify my position, which I believe, is the position of the Church.  It is not wrong or evil to use in-game magic (or in-game anything) except in very rare occasions where the player realizes that their using it would tempt them to indulge in what they believe is sinful behavior in real life.  In other words, when they knowingly tempt themselves to do what they consider evil.  Since this is largely subjective there really can be no general condemnation of a game’s content (except, perhaps, in extreme cases like pornography).

 

That being said, I, personally, have no problem with in-game magic, and in fact, I plan to make full use of any magic items/weapons I find, because there is no detailed knowledge to remember for their use.

 

From my considerable experience with very strict puritanical-types (and my superiors) I believe they have a problem with game-magic because they know almost nothing about games and identify game magic with the real thing.  Their knowledge about games consists mostly of old shocking news stories where some violent act was linked to a game.  That is far too incomplete a knowledge to base any judgments on.

 

My superiors have no interest or time to learn about games, and since they are at least partially responsible for me (because I took the 3 traditional vows) their default attitude is one of suspicion—but given their responsibility, I can understand that.  (I suppose it's not much different than a conscientious parent of a teenage girl).

 

In reading the replies, it seems that I will be able to play and finish the game without employing a magic-user if I don’t feel up to that particular challenge.  That was my main question/request and so I am at ease about the matter.  Thank you all very much for taking the time to reply.  Dare I say, “God bless you?”


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I hope you didn't get offended by my childish joke, Friar Godfrey, I just couldn't resist. I do respect your choices and your passionate belief, but I think you will have to count on a lot of unlawful and offending things in a game setting such as this: It will be loosely inspired by some feudal medieval setting after all, perhaps including religious persecution, inquisition and necromany, for instance. However, I truly commend you for playing CRPG: That is so great! :)


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Just to clarify my position, which I believe, is the position of the Church.  It is not wrong or evil to use in-game magic (or in-game anything) except in very rare occasions where the player realizes that their using it would tempt them to indulge in what they believe is sinful behavior in real life.  In other words, when they knowingly tempt themselves to do what they consider evil.  Since this is largely subjective there really can be no general condemnation of a game’s content (except, perhaps, in extreme cases like pornography).


pray tell us good friar, what's your position on murder hobos?

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magic (which in real life, always has ties to the diabolic)

 

Just to point out, that's not actually the case.  There are various cultures which have had belief in magic where the magic was in no way diabolic.

 

Hooray for being a bit of a theology and mythology buff :p


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magic (which in real life, always has ties to the diabolic)

 

Just to point out, that's not actually the case.  There are various cultures which have had belief in magic where the magic was in no way diabolic.

 

Hooray for being a bit of a theology and mythology buff :p

 

Such as the common Christian belief that prayer or other activities like a pilgrimage to Lourdes for example can sometimes cure incurable diseases. That's a cure disease spell right there. Anthropologically speaking anyway.


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I have never written in a forum before, so please pardon any mistakes I may make here.

 

I am a monk (a real one) and have played some games in the past and enjoyed them.  I saw this project Eternity and donated to its completion because it seems like the type of game I used to enjoy.  I read your updates and see that you are at a stage in development where a request may still be taken into consideration.  

 

Could you make it possible to play and win the game without employing a magic-user?

 

I am able to play games only occasionally and I find remembering spells and how to use them difficult from session to session (as opposed to simple slashing/stabbing weapons).  Another reason for the request is that my superiors don't care much for computer games in general, but a computer game that forces one to use magic (which in real life, always has ties to the diabolic) they would simply not allow.  I would get in trouble if they catch me, for sure.

 

Thank you for reading my post and perhaps considering my request.

 

PS:  If you have a place in the game where Gregorian-style chant would be an appropriate addition, my abbey would probably let you record them during their prayers (we sing in both English and Latin).  It is St Michael's Abbey, not far from your offices.

There is no magic in real life



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"Superiors"

 

I'm still trying to wrap my brain around what this means exactly?  In any case, maybe fantasy RPGs aren't for you?  If you're this morally conflicted about it, might I suggest a different hobby.







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