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What is you favorite enemy fight in games you played ?

 

In second post in this topic i will say what is my favorite enemy from NWN 1 (first game i played) i also whoud like to make some poll to the topic so im open for your sudgestion what enemys whoud you like to se in this poll.

 

of coure you can post even bad characters

 

For example i like Joker from Dark Knight

 

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Of course i DON't want to see HIM in PE but i whoud like to se some kind of simmilar psychopath mind set in PE pure chaos muahahahaha

 

 

 

and what are your favorite EVILS from games or movies ?

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Maybe Kreia from Kotor 2... She just made the netral/dark side make so much sense from a point of view...

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Realistic villains always believe they're in the right.


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Realistic villains always believe they're in the right.

 

Doesn't pretty much any character believe they are in the right?

 

Anyway, **** the Joker, he and Batman are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too overrated. Now if we could get someone like good ole Green Goblin or Doctor Doom that would be cool.

 

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Hell Doom wouldn't actually look too out of place in a fantasy game.

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Iago. However, my favorite video game villain is still Jon Irenicus, but it is probably a testament to David Warner's VA than the character itself. So, Shakespeare's Iago from Hamlet is my favorite.

 

Oh, and Starscream from gen 1 Transformers is up there. But that is because he is incredibly flawed.

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Doesn't pretty much any character believe they are in the right?

 

Becouse it's simplest motivation.

 

Anyway, **** the Joker, he and Batman are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too overrated. Now if we could get someone like good ole Green Goblin or Doctor Doom that would be cool.

 

You see Doom and Joker are complatly diffrent characters. Joker whas crazy psychopath with kill hobby, Doom is intelectiual, calm and very complex character he is evil but if i remember he somethimes helped the good ones if he thinked that if goodones loose he coud loose to, Joker don't giva **** about anything if killing someone will make him feel good at that moment he will not hesitated for a second, even if the world was the

stake.

 

Doom was cold calculated intelectialist not emotionat careless psycho-killer like joker....

 

 

 

It's like compareing water and fire.

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You see Doom and Joker are complatly diffrent characters. Joker whas crazy psychopath with kill hobby, Doom is intelectiual, calm and very complex character he is evil but if i remember he somethimes helped the good ones if he thinked that if goodones loose he coud loose to, he was cold calculated not emotionat psycho-killer like joker....

 

It's like compareing water and fire.

 

Yes, Doom is water, Joker is fire. Water douses fire, water wins.


"Take your child murderin' god and shove his him up his own ass."-Volorun

 

"...the vote of a black redhead disabled homosexual transsexual Jew should probably be worth the same as at least a hundred white heterosexual Christians."-Rostere

 

"i can think of many women i would gladly sleep with, but not a single one that i would want as a girlfriend/wife... neither real nor fictional."-teknoman2

 

"I'm all for killing dogs in film." - algroth

 

"Iselmyr is the one who did GOMAD... Aloth is lactose intolerant" -ShadySands

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You see Doom and Joker are complatly diffrent characters. Joker whas crazy psychopath with kill hobby, Doom is intelectiual, calm and very complex character he is evil but if i remember he somethimes helped the good ones if he thinked that if goodones loose he coud loose to, he was cold calculated not emotionat psycho-killer like joker....

 

It's like compareing water and fire.

Yes, Doom is water, Joker is fire. Water douses fire, water wins.

 

Batman is intelectiualist to so i must agre he whoud propably win :) (and then bleed out) :p

 

Why ? i think so ? Joker will almost never hesitated he will burn himself if its gonna bring him victory, doom whoud popably awoid him becouse he don't wanna fight meaningless fights that joker so loves :)

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You see Doom and Joker are complatly diffrent characters. Joker whas crazy psychopath with kill hobby, Doom is intelectiual, calm and very complex character he is evil but if i remember he somethimes helped the good ones if he thinked that if goodones loose he coud loose to, he was cold calculated not emotionat psycho-killer like joker....

 

It's like compareing water and fire.

Yes, Doom is water, Joker is fire. Water douses fire, water wins.

 

Batman is intelectiualist to so i must agre he whoud propably win :) (and then bleed out) :p

 

Why ? i think so ? Joker will almost never hesitated he will burn himself if its gonna bring him victory, doom whoud popably awoid him becouse he don't wanna fight meaningless fights that joker so loves :)

 

And Doom is a powerful sorcerer, tech expert, and has the resources of an entire country behind him. He has a bit more power and ability than the Joker.


"Take your child murderin' god and shove his him up his own ass."-Volorun

 

"...the vote of a black redhead disabled homosexual transsexual Jew should probably be worth the same as at least a hundred white heterosexual Christians."-Rostere

 

"i can think of many women i would gladly sleep with, but not a single one that i would want as a girlfriend/wife... neither real nor fictional."-teknoman2

 

"I'm all for killing dogs in film." - algroth

 

"Iselmyr is the one who did GOMAD... Aloth is lactose intolerant" -ShadySands

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You see Doom and Joker are complatly diffrent characters. Joker whas crazy psychopath with kill hobby, Doom is intelectiual, calm and very complex character he is evil but if i remember he somethimes helped the good ones if he thinked that if goodones loose he coud loose to, he was cold calculated not emotionat psycho-killer like joker....

 

It's like compareing water and fire.

Yes, Doom is water, Joker is fire. Water douses fire, water wins.

 

Batman is intelectiualist to so i must agre he whoud propably win :) (and then bleed out) :p

 

Why ? i think so ? Joker will almost never hesitated he will burn himself if its gonna bring him victory, doom whoud popably awoid him becouse he don't wanna fight meaningless fights that joker so loves :)

 

And Doom is a powerful sorcerer, tech expert, and has the resources of an entire country behind him. He has a bit more power and ability than the Joker.

 

if i remember Joker defeated stronger than him but it all goes donw to a writher if writher decindes then even spider-man can defeat doom and joker can defeat superman. I like both Doom and Joker but if they meet they propably whoud awoid ech other. I marvel series it's also argu who whoud wim HULK or THOR. etc

 

The one thing that i must admit that Joker was so pain in the batmans ass is becouse batman never killed him. i Think if Doom whoud defeat joker he whoud not be so nice.

 

Joker has also wary many faces, in almost every cartoon series he is a little bit difrent. Somethimes he is simple criminal on a level of normal bandit and somethimes he can put whole justice league to work. Comparing them on strengh or powerlevel is also meaninless becouse joker is not fighting face to face. He will act like a clown awiding combat, and starting to look for weak spots, in batman series he fight more offensiv becouse batman also don't have any superpower. But in other cases he don't fight he i waiting for the "right moment" to attack in most painfull way.

 

If we do D&D comparison DOOM is mage and Joker is rogue.

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if i remember Joker defeated stronger than him but it all goes donw to a writher if writher decindes then even spider-man can defeat doom and joker can defeat superman. I like both Doom and Joker but if they meet they propably whoud awoid ech other. I marvel series it's also argu who whoud wim HULK or THOR. etc

 

The one thing that i must admit that Joker was so pain in the batmans ass is becouse batman never killed him. i Think if Doom whoud defeat joker he whoud not be so nice.

 

Joker has also wary many faces, in almost every cartoon series he is a little bit difrent. Somethimes he is simple criminal on a level of normal bandit and somethimes he can put whole justice league to work. Comparing them on strengh or powerlevel is also meaninless becouse joker is not fighting face to face. He will ast like a crazy clown, and starting to look for weak spots, in batman series he fight more offensiv becouse batman also don't have any superpower. But in other cases he don't fight he i waiting for the "right moment" to attack in most painfull way.

 

A Doom-like villain would work better in PE because they would actually have plans and desires that can be independent of the PC. The problem with Joker is that he defines himself completely as being an anti-Batman, so he does not have any long-term goals or desires besides being Batman's nemesis, which is why Joker never kills Batman.


"Take your child murderin' god and shove his him up his own ass."-Volorun

 

"...the vote of a black redhead disabled homosexual transsexual Jew should probably be worth the same as at least a hundred white heterosexual Christians."-Rostere

 

"i can think of many women i would gladly sleep with, but not a single one that i would want as a girlfriend/wife... neither real nor fictional."-teknoman2

 

"I'm all for killing dogs in film." - algroth

 

"Iselmyr is the one who did GOMAD... Aloth is lactose intolerant" -ShadySands

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New, original characters is my preference.


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A Doom-like villain would work better in PE because they would actually have plans and desires that can be independent of the PC. The problem with Joker is that he defines himself completely as being an anti-Batman, so he does not have any long-term goals or desires besides being Batman's nemesis, which is why Joker never kills Batman.

 

That's why i also sad that i don't want him in PE. Mayby some kind of psychopath actincg simillar but not him. (doesn't fitt in setting)

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New, original characters is my preference.

 

The problem is that no character is totally original. I think that the purpose of this thread is to discuss what kind of villain we would like to see.


"Take your child murderin' god and shove his him up his own ass."-Volorun

 

"...the vote of a black redhead disabled homosexual transsexual Jew should probably be worth the same as at least a hundred white heterosexual Christians."-Rostere

 

"i can think of many women i would gladly sleep with, but not a single one that i would want as a girlfriend/wife... neither real nor fictional."-teknoman2

 

"I'm all for killing dogs in film." - algroth

 

"Iselmyr is the one who did GOMAD... Aloth is lactose intolerant" -ShadySands

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New, original characters is my preference.

 

They will be always simillar to someone even the most original characters will be. So telling us what type of character you liked whon't distroy this project :)

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A Doom-like villain would work better in PE because they would actually have plans and desires that can be independent of the PC. The problem with Joker is that he defines himself completely as being an anti-Batman, so he does not have any long-term goals or desires besides being Batman's nemesis, which is why Joker never kills Batman.

 

That's why i also sad that i don't want him in PE. Mayby some kind of psychopath actincg simillar but not him. (doesn't fitt in setting)

 

The problem with a psychopath is that unless they are incredibly powerful, it is hard to have one as a villain because they would end up killing all of their followers or screwing up their own plans. Someone calculating and with some measure of self-control makes for a much more effective and believable villain.


"Take your child murderin' god and shove his him up his own ass."-Volorun

 

"...the vote of a black redhead disabled homosexual transsexual Jew should probably be worth the same as at least a hundred white heterosexual Christians."-Rostere

 

"i can think of many women i would gladly sleep with, but not a single one that i would want as a girlfriend/wife... neither real nor fictional."-teknoman2

 

"I'm all for killing dogs in film." - algroth

 

"Iselmyr is the one who did GOMAD... Aloth is lactose intolerant" -ShadySands

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A Doom-like villain would work better in PE because they would actually have plans and desires that can be independent of the PC. The problem with Joker is that he defines himself completely as being an anti-Batman, so he does not have any long-term goals or desires besides being Batman's nemesis, which is why Joker never kills Batman.

 

That's why i also sad that i don't want him in PE. Mayby some kind of psychopath actincg simillar but not him. (doesn't fitt in setting)

 

The problem with a psychopath is that unless they are incredibly powerful, it is hard to have one as a villain because they would end up killing all of their followers or screwing up their own plans. Someone calculating and with some measure of self-control makes for a much more effective and believable villain.

 

The powerfull psychopath can be servant of someones stronger and more calculated. Serving him as wardog, or killer etc. It whoud be nice to seeing some plot twist when this type of character break the chain and even atack his old master ...

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A Doom-like villain would work better in PE because they would actually have plans and desires that can be independent of the PC. The problem with Joker is that he defines himself completely as being an anti-Batman, so he does not have any long-term goals or desires besides being Batman's nemesis, which is why Joker never kills Batman.

 

That's why i also sad that i don't want him in PE. Mayby some kind of psychopath actincg simillar but not him. (doesn't fitt in setting)

 

The problem with a psychopath is that unless they are incredibly powerful, it is hard to have one as a villain because they would end up killing all of their followers or screwing up their own plans. Someone calculating and with some measure of self-control makes for a much more effective and believable villain.

 

The powerfull psychopath can be servan of someones stronger and more calculated. Serving him as wardog, or killer etc. It whoud be nice to seeing some plot twist when this type of character break the chain and even atack his old master ...

 

Meh, the servant attacking the master and taking his place has been done quite a bit.


"Take your child murderin' god and shove his him up his own ass."-Volorun

 

"...the vote of a black redhead disabled homosexual transsexual Jew should probably be worth the same as at least a hundred white heterosexual Christians."-Rostere

 

"i can think of many women i would gladly sleep with, but not a single one that i would want as a girlfriend/wife... neither real nor fictional."-teknoman2

 

"I'm all for killing dogs in film." - algroth

 

"Iselmyr is the one who did GOMAD... Aloth is lactose intolerant" -ShadySands

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I just hate when stories have villains who are basically just hipsters.

 

"Doing 'good' is so mainstream. I live to do the opposite of good, no matter what it is, purely because it is evil, and not for any other reason."

 

I think villains work best when they're evil because of their actions, rather than performing their actions simply because they're evil.

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While I won't go into details because of the giant spoilers of doom, I definitely liked the antagonists from the Bioshock series, and for similar reasons the antagonist of Jade Empire. I think some philosophical bloke said something about the deadliest enemy being the one you can't see and don't understand.


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I DON'T WANT ANY VILLAIN! I want to be able to join or fight every faction like in AP. If we must have a villain (like in the good old IE games) I would go for the really strange and alien type, such as Pinhead from Hellraiser, or The Strangers from Dark City.


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The word you were looking for is antagonist.

 

Garnier de Naplouse in the first Assassins' creed game. It was his job to take in beggars, prostitutes and mentally insane, (which were kidnapped by another target in another city, to avoid too many questions) break their spirits, and reshape them so they would become soldiers for his cause. He truly believed he was helping them. (tough love) After Altair kills him he argues his case: these people had a terrible existence, I was providing them a new life, but before that can happen, they had to be brainwashed first.

Utterly evil or philanthropic, you decide :p

Ofc the game decides to show him breaking the legs of someone who doesn't enjoy his help, to show you how evil he is. So the game pushes its own morals at you, bit of a pity.

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