Jump to content
Cultist

Please no more "go here" quest markers!

Recommended Posts

1. Search for pieces of the artefact, scattered across the city.

2. Go to big arrows on the minimap.

3. PROFIT!!!

 

We are all familiar with them from Skyrim, Oblivion, Mass Effect and Dragon Age series. Every quest turns into a joke with big arrows indicating where we must go, with whom we must speak and so on.

Please, no more! Let us search if quest says we must find something. Let us think if there's a riddle, let us search and ask people for information, instead of going stright for the right person.

The markers nullify the very concept of non-fetch quests. And even fetch quests could be interesting, but not when right from the start you have indicators pointing where, for example, igridients for some potion are located.

  • Like 15

MzpydUh.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I honestly don't believe there is any risk of this happening. In the "worst" case, this will be a simple setting in the options menu, probably off by default, if even that. Dishonored was a recent game that took this route and allowed the player to customize contextual and objective-related information by a few user interface settings.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's kind of interesting. Once I found and installed immersive hud for skyrim and turned all markers off, it made the game a helluva lot more fun.

 

One of worst "improvements" in modern games has to be the GPS like waypoint.

  • Like 5

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I really doubt they would do this. It just seems too at odds with their philosophy with this game.

 

If they feel they must add it just let it there be a toggle in the options to turn it on/off.

 

I do kind of enjoy the direction borderlands 2 has started to take with this though which is to have arrows that get you to the general area but once there you need to do the searching yourself. I don't think it's needed in PE however as the game will most likely have set areas so if somebody says go find me magical tree bark from the mystical grove you'll already be on the right track. I think markers make sense in games that have a more open and less defined world (Elder Scrolls, Fallout 3, Red Dead Redemption) however I think they should make the shift of pointing you in the general direction/area and not showing you exactly where the object of your desires is located within a cave.

  • Like 1

K is for Kid, a guy or gal just like you. Don't be in such a hurry to grow up, since there's nothin' a kid can't do.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Fortunately, I don't remember this nonsense in the IE games at all, and Obsidian didn't make those games you mentioned (so I don't know how "no more" would apply unless they were in Fallout or something).

 

All the clues should be in the dialogic or random item texts. Read, people! READ!

  • Like 3

The KS Collector's Edition does not include the Collector's Book.

Which game hook brought you to Project Eternity and interests you the most?

PE will not have co-op/multiplayer, console, or tablet support (sources): [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]

Write your own romance mods because there won't be any in PE.

"But what is an evil? Is it like water or like a hedgehog or night or lumpy?" -(Digger)

"Most o' you wanderers are but a quarter moon away from lunacy at the best o' times." -Alvanhendar (Baldur's Gate 1)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Preaching to the choir here, dude...

  • Like 1

^

 

 

I agree that that is such a stupid idiotic pathetic garbage hateful retarded scumbag evil satanic nazi like term ever created. At least top 5.

 

TSLRCM Official Forum || TSLRCM Moddb || My other KOTOR2 mods || TSLRCM (English version) on Steam || [M4-78EP on Steam

Formerly known as BattleWookiee/BattleCookiee

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, assuming they don't use any kind of radiant NPC behaviour stuff-sure.

 

But if you have to turn in a quest to some guy who wonders off down the local river every 3rd weekend during the solstice and what-not, for whatever bizzare reason, and the only way you would know that is to either read a guide or by pure chance.....the heck with all that nonsense.

Edited by Streamlock
  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My money's on it being a toggle, maybe it gets turned off as part of the expert mode. But Obsidian knows the type of audience they're targeting, it's almost guaranteed they'll include the ability to play without that stuff.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1. Search for pieces of the artefact, scattered across the city.

2. Go to big arrows on the minimap.

3. PROFIT!!!

 

We are all familiar with them from Skyrim, Oblivion, Mass Effect and Dragon Age series. Every quest turns into a joke with big arrows indicating where we must go, with whom we must speak and so on.

Please, no more! Let us search if quest says we must find something. Let us think if there's a riddle, let us search and ask people for information, instead of going stright for the right person.

The markers nullify the very concept of non-fetch quests. And even fetch quests could be interesting, but not when right from the start you have indicators pointing where, for example, igridients for some potion are located.

 

YES YES YES YES. I HATE quest-trackers with a passion that burns like the strength of a thousand suns.

 

However, as others have said, I doubt we have to worry about that in PE, since it is being done oldschool style. :D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Nonsense. Quest markers and mud crabs are two mandatory features at the top of my list for this game.

Edited by Ignatius
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, assuming they don't use any kind of radiant NPC behaviour stuff-sure.

 

But if you have to turn in a quest to some guy who wonders off down the local river every 3rd weekend during the solstice and what-not, for whatever bizzare reason, and the only way you would know that is to either read a guide or by pure chance.....the heck with all that nonsense.

 

That kind of a thing isn't a problem as long as the information can be found within the game world. Maybe you ask a neighbor and they tell you that that particular NPC does that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A simple toggle (with it being off by default) is the best options. There are times every so often you forget where you want to go, or you get lost, or maybe its a boring quest and you just want to hurry up and get it over with and not spend too much time on it (oh, can you go to the well and search under every rock to find my ring I dropped when I was young and foolish *GROAN*...but, since we can't grind for XP anymore, we HAVE to do this quest for the xp *sigh*) or half a dozen reasons. If its optional and off by default, seems the best solution.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

For me it depends on the quality of your journal. I seriously hated flipping back and forth through the pages in BG1, trying to find a paragraph somewhere which would remind of a particular task. BG2 did a better job of it because you could "filter" out things that were information for flavour and get a summary of tasks you had accepted (voluntarily or not) and access the information in a non tedious manner. Good riddance to the GPS markers though.

  • Like 5

“He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There's a mode to shut stuff like that off, personally I want things like Quest Markers I hate running around in circles looking for stuff, not fun :( like they have in Fallout New Vegas and stuff.

 

 

 

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Oh, here is a thought, what about getting locations from priests? or using a cipher? Or perhaps a necromancer could contact the dead and ask them? If you don't have one in your party you could find a temple and pay for the information

 

Maybe its a skill a character could learn (so you could have one of your party members focus on this), it could be used beyond the quest marker, if you have a journal you could click on a NPC character/location in your list and the character with the ability could point to their location on a map. Of course the skill has to be upgraded, at low level it will show you a general idea of the location, higher it points a bit closer, at highest it is pin pointed accuracy. If you need info NOW and your character is not high enough, you could go to a temple, cipher, necromancer who is a high level and pay them to show you the location on the map.

 

A priest contacts its deity to get the info, a cipher uses her powers, and a necromancer contacts the legion of dead.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Quest markers may be a feature that belongs on the easy (Casual Gaming?) mode; something for people who want to speed through the exploration aspects and get directly to the meat of the game.


"It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There's a mode to shut stuff like that off, personally I want things like Quest Markers I hate running around in circles looking for stuff, not fun :( like they have in Fallout New Vegas and stuff.

 

Well, part of the problem comes in when they design quests around the quest marker instead of treating it as a once in a while hint system.

 

Another problem is that GPS markers destroy an entire aspect of gameplay involved in questing. That is, it totally removes actually searching and questing.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There's a mode to shut stuff like that off, personally I want things like Quest Markers I hate running around in circles looking for stuff, not fun :( like they have in Fallout New Vegas and stuff.

 

Well, part of the problem comes in when they design quests around the quest marker instead of treating it as a once in a while hint system.

 

Another problem is that GPS markers destroy an entire aspect of gameplay involved in questing. That is, it totally removes actually searching and questing.

I think it depends on the quest, if it is something that could shown on a map like lets say "we need to destroy these seige weapons" then you can show them on the GPS, if it is something like "go gather x number of this" then definately not

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think it depends on the quest, if it is something that could shown on a map like lets say "we need to destroy these seige weapons" then you can show them on the GPS, if it is something like "go gather x number of this" then definately not

 

:blink:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Quest markers may be a feature that belongs on the easy (Casual Gaming?) mode; something for people who want to speed through the exploration aspects and get directly to the meat of the game .

 

That'd be me :D honestly I don't mind some exploration, as long as I'm not lost or frustrate trying to find something or running around like a chicken with its head cut off.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't mind a marker that indicates what general direction to go in, so I know whether to go south or north or whatever (and then may disappear when I get sorta closeish). What I mind is when games use markers on everything ... that is, your quest is to find an item, say, and the quest marker is on the item itself (and shows up on the map). Then you pick it up, the quest is now to find another item, and the marker moves to that item. Like in Borderlands. I personally like Borderlands, but the marker system (especially in 2) is completely silly, even for the type of game it is.

 

In a RPG game of the type I expect P.E. will be, I can easily do without markers of any kind, as long as the quests are clearly written with a good directional hint, like "North in the Fields of Doom." I don't like it when quest logs are so ambiguous I'm not even sure what compass direction to start in.

  • Like 1

“Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just make it optional if arrows, tooltips, etc are visible to the player or not. That should satisfy the majority of players.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How about divine intervention? You get struck by a lightning bolt every time you veer too far away from your current active quest :)


“He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How about divine intervention? You get struck by a lightning bolt every time you veer too far away from your current active quest :)

That would be rather hard on the armor. I'd have to spend too much gold getting the burn marks polished off all the time.


“Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How about divine intervention? You get struck by a lightning bolt every time you veer too far away from your current active quest :)

That would be rather hard on the armor. I'd have to spend too much gold getting the burn marks polished off all the time.

 

So long as you make sure you're wearing steel chain or plate, you can be your own Faraday cage and see only the visual lightning reminder! IT'S PERFECT.


The KS Collector's Edition does not include the Collector's Book.

Which game hook brought you to Project Eternity and interests you the most?

PE will not have co-op/multiplayer, console, or tablet support (sources): [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]

Write your own romance mods because there won't be any in PE.

"But what is an evil? Is it like water or like a hedgehog or night or lumpy?" -(Digger)

"Most o' you wanderers are but a quarter moon away from lunacy at the best o' times." -Alvanhendar (Baldur's Gate 1)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...

×
×
  • Create New...