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Poll: Orcs (343 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you like to see orcs in the game ?

  1. Yes, but only as evil common monsters. (57 votes [16.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.62%

  2. Yes - fully playable race with good background. Something like green qunari. "from Dragon Age" or orcs from Warcraft 3. (125 votes [36.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.44%

  3. Yes- but only if there will by other races like halfogres etc. (40 votes [11.66%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.66%

  4. NO !!! (121 votes [35.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.28%

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By the way.

"IF" orcs will by added what do you think they should look like i mean green monster like or mayby more similar to humans or half-elfs, what about cultures shold they by only wariors, or lets say echanters, blacksmitchs, schould they practice magic or afraid of her. What about other races, i mean dwarf hate them or like, humans ar affraid of them or they jush think they are stupid beasts... and what about orcish merceneres ?

Do you guys think that they schould by plenty of thmen (in almoust every cave) or schould they by almost extinct. Schould they by old (like elf) race or new like let's say (humans) ... derived from our dimension or some other ??

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If they're going for a colonization period, then they might want some sort of native american analog. The always chaotic evil interpretation has no place, in my eyes. They need to be a culture with complexity or omitted.
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An orc by any other name is still as foul. Whether they're called orcs or gobilns or something else, every medieval cRPG needs a low-to-mid-level, nasty enemy for sword fodder. I have no problem with calling these savages orcs. It's tradition, after all, and I've always been a Tolkien fan.

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Tsuga C Yes and we can't be original. We have undead, goblins, hobgoblins, orklings, ogres, dragons, demons, devils, bears, wolfs, kobolds, dark dwarfs, giants, tytans, elementals, flying humanoids, swiming serpents, monster rats, monster rabbits etc. in fanasy lure that we don't have to much matiral for sword fodder.

Better to have another sword fodder enemy than deep well done race that broke the shackles and freed from demonic bondage and began wandering towards a better tomorrow. Better take another cannon fodder and bring the whole race to kill the orcs and dwarves are greedy, why do race well done as the original approach can be boiled down to one sentence shallowest make them as possible as "elves have pointy ears are thin and running around in the woods "

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JallaAllah likes idea orcs! Orcs good ... :bat:

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If there are orcs - or whatever thay call them - they should just be a race that's there minding their own business.
They shouldn't be stupid (they could of course be on average smarter or not than certain other races).
They shoudn't be always chaotic evil.
They should just be a race with a developed history both in regards to their own culture and the relationships they may have developed with neighbouring races.
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I think the same, in almost every game they where presented as retards, but i don't know why. Ofcurse they mayby uglier ok, they may by brutes but wy stupid i newer understand that. And they are just WEEK. Half orcs i neverwinter had only ultrawision (seeing in darknes) +2 to strenght and - 2 to inteligence and charisma. and nothing more even half orcs were week and almost unplayable.

i personali think that lets say orcs has -4 to charisma (lets say high negative reaction becouse people think that they are ugly and people are afraid of them) and +2 (or more) to strenght and +2 to condiotion (hp points)and they should by a little bit resistant tu magic (positiv and negattic efects) and mayby even fire a litli bit. they should by at least as inteligent as humans becous they also like humans have priests, alchemists, wizards, shamans and magic users mayby not as good in offencive magic but good in any other (summoning).


And this is prapobly the best cinematic that include orc race... enjoy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PVrThqhlLA&feature=related

Edited by ArchBeast, 10 October 2012 - 03:09 PM.


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By the way i whould like someone moderator to chage section to this topic for proper one prapobly general discussion section. Thank you wery much :D

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The classical Tolkien "Always Chaotic Evil" orc and the Warcraft green-skinned noble savage orc are both worn out cliches at this point. I'd rather not see either of them, but the former is less offensive in its simplicity.

Green Qunari, really?

Edited by Infinitron, 11 October 2012 - 03:05 AM.


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I'm not particularly keen on playable orcs as they are usually played as the oppressed race then which is getting old. If they do have them in then I also hope they aren't green, that was a Warhammer thing due to them being a fungus, would much prefer the original grey or brown skintones, fits better.

And I would prefer they put playable kobolds and goblins in first! :p
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I would love to see the shamanistic snoble savage type of orcs you see in Warcraft III/WoW or even the Elder Scoll series. I would also like to see them as a playable race if that's possible.


That's what i'm talking about i played orc only in morrowind and skyrim and i thik they where a little bit tu nice, i whould love to play some kind or orc like Thrall from warcraft, that looks like orc, not atak everywone but when hi must fight he don't cry about it.

I'd rather have half-ogres, they're less used. They were great in Arcanum.


USED ?! :D Sorry man but i remember only few games that orcs was playable race,(half-ogres only in ancanum) in elderscrolls and warcraft, elfs, dwarwes are almost in every fantasy game. Playing as half ogre or even pure ogre whould by geat. But i think that Orcs in our subculture terribly put aside but they have potential they can by not only a low race like in D&D they can by even use as employed as reflected Mongol hordes, even the most powerfull race (controlling most lands). They can by portrayed as a race that seeks its place, hated race, even though it really just looking for their place in the world. I think that this race should be called the Orcs, but it may well ogres would, besides, there is nothing to prevent the creation of orcs higher (with their own state and diplomatic relations) and lower orcs ( beast who bearly can hold a weapon and acts more like trolls from Skyrim) to create a powerful historical base of this race is huge, and he would like to finally taken care of her, half-ogres clear they can be but it's not just about the name of the race (I suspect that supporters of other green like Humanoids will not complain if, instead of, say, half-get well taken orcs).

And i thing that putting orc intu the lure whould by much more realistic, and easy than "godlike-race" pff .

I think that putting something like qunari from dragon age orgins but green and a little bit more orkish whould by great. But why i am saying that orc whould by better than half-ogres becouse half-ogres whould allways by sub-race, something not independent. But orc can easly by independet race/nation.

Thanks everywone for respond.

Yes, half-ogres are less used than orcs, by far. Your response doesn't really make sense to me.

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Sorry for my english. I mean that this whould by grate to play Helf-ogres. But only if theere will by orcs to :D.

I think that orcs not only are not-used mayby only for "The bad guys" but they never take much part of any lure, only i warcrat or elder scrolls they have been shown in other way.

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Yes that is only a reference, they don't need to be named "ORCS", half orcs or ever something like playeble qunari will do ..is, however, I remain, thu the name of Orcs becouse they are MOST popular Barberian, savege like race but if wy will gate PURE ogre i will by great to.

I'm not follower or fan the Idea of "HALF-Races". Becouse the only half-elfs that are numerous enough to be regarded as a new ethnic group but take depends on humans or elves and have at least a little bit of independence from their parents. But a half-ogre, half-trolls or the other is only a few and they are probably quite dependent on either of his monstrous clan or man. The likelihood that our great hero would be half-troll is almost impossible and implausible. BUT if there were any other independent race and not a result of hybridization such as Ogres, ORCS, Qunari or somthing simillar and probability is much bigger and much more convincing ME. Certainly convinces me more than the possibility that my grandfather was a demon from hell or grandmother was a angel who flew to earth to experience the night life.

Edited by ArchBeast, 11 October 2012 - 04:14 AM.


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Meh. I think P:E has enough of your typical fantasy elements in. Though I'm sure they'll give them a nice twist.

I'd rather see a brand new race/species to substitute for the orcs.
Or maybe simply replace them with a troll very similar to the northern european folklore trolls.


Ah well, I'm sure we'll see something orc-like, even though it might not go by that name.
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Where's the "indifferent" option? Pretty sure that I'll be happy with whatever races they decide fit the setting. I'd certainly want to know what race I might be giving up to make room for orcs.
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And what about Urucs ? or Urcs ... there are some kinde of diffrent orcs. Tolkien had somethink like uruk-hai that they where a much stronger and i remember that i Hearoes III we have urk race as upgraded orc race. and they where almous unused.


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Edited by ArchBeast, 11 October 2012 - 04:28 AM.


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I feel the orcs should be the classical evil creatures they have always been, evil creatures fit only to be dangerous foes to the player and defeated as such
Sure there should be different factions of them but their unifying strand would be how evil they are , I believe thats how it was done in Icewind dale games and most other good games.

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I feel the orcs should be the classical evil creatures they have always been, evil creatures fit only to be dangerous foes to the player and defeated as such
Sure there should be different factions of them but their unifying strand would be how evil they are , I believe thats how it was done in Icewind dale games and most other good games.



Ehh. I don't think pure evil creatures have much room in P:E.
Give them different mindsets and ideologies that might make them seem evil to others, but to themselves make perfect sense.

As an example, cannibals in remote parts of our world might seem horrifying and evil to most "civilized" people.
But to them, eating their opponent is a way of honoring them, and showing a wish to gain some of their strength by eating their flesh
or heart, or what have you.
(I am in no way an expert in the field, but I know some remote tribes hold that belief at least)


Misunderstood races/enemies is more interesting that pure evil ones.

Edited by Vargr, 11 October 2012 - 04:35 AM.

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I definitely hope to see something more original than the usual fantasy orcs. Eternity already has elves and dwarves, I think Obsidian need to add something different now, not just orcs.

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Is this diffrent ?
Ork (folklore)

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The ork is a demon of Tyrol alpine folklore. He lives on mountains, Almen, rock holes, or valleys. It warns the noble game of hunters, or can be savage and bring geisser to the cattle. It was feared like the aufhocker. As a dwarf, the ork was a well-behaved kobold/house spirit in wine cellars. He may be connected to the figure Orkise in the medieval poem Virginal, about Dietrich von Bern's battle with a vaguely similar being.
A particular kind of ork is the Orco Burlevole (Tricky Ork), very popular in the area of Verona. This tall, horse-feeted and haired man, who lives in caves or abandoned houses, can assume every form, produce every sound and even alterate the victim perception of place or time. Despite his great power his only goal is to joke the victims and, when he thinks to have enjoyed it sufficiently he disappears in a sulphur cloud saying "Te l'o fata!" meaning, in the local language, "I did it to you".
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Orcs are cool, especially as a playable race (Arcanum did it really well) but not like enemies (no NWN 2-style orc caves FFS). On the other hand, we have enough traditional fantasy races already. Better make something more original that will fit in PE setting.

Edited by Lysen, 11 October 2012 - 06:06 AM.






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