Darth Trethon Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I am happy if it gets Obsidian more money but I think they'd be more successful if the expansion was included with the $140 or if they had it available as a separate add-on to the pledge for an extra $10-$20.....it seems to mainly try to force the hand of the $140 pledgers to go to $250 but there's only ~2400 of them and over 40k pledgers under $50. A lot of people would get it as a separate addon and more would jump to $140 than are likely to jump to $165 due to the boxed CE. Just my 2 cents. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootsy81 Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I think this is a great update, and yeah, B-Farg is an amazing guy for allowing this. Speaks volumes about how great he is. He truly is the god-jesus of video games I saw him described as on a forum yesterday. The one thing I'm not sure about is the expansion at $165, it just seems a bit high to me. I'm at $80 just now and have been considering going to $110 in the last few days but I backed Wasteland and more than doubling my pledge for an expansion just doesn't scan for me I'm afraid. Maybe the $110 but with no Wasteland 2 would have been better? I'd have liked to have seen it broken up a little that way personally, I imagine a lot of PE backers backed W2 as well and I think the expansion at a slightly lower tier might make more of them up pledges. Or maybe offer the expansion as an add-on? Maybe around $20-$30? I'd jump on that in a heartbeat. I realise everyone is in a different situation with how much they have/can pledge but I don't think I can bring myself to stretch to that $165 tier. $110 maybe but not that far Other than that, first class again Obsidian. Aloth looks amazing. Best concept art yet IMO. High-Priest of Funk of the Obsidian Order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantousent Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 lol I'm doing something I swore to myself I wouldn't do, but I'm actually leaning on friends to pledge. "Okay, [name deleted], you need to go look at the project eternity kickstarter page. The lowest price is 25 bucks and that includes the retail version of the game. You can't tell me you would rather pay 50-60 at reatil than 25. Just sayin'." His excuse is that he just bought a beemer and all new kitchen appliances. I've bought new tiers for other friends as gifts, but he's a cheap bastard and he's going to buy his own game. If you can afford a new car, you can dish out 25 bucks for this project. I've already been spamming info on facebook, but even there I'm getting a little pushy. "Okay, there's not much time for folks to pledge for Project Eternity. Now, some of you might not understand, but it's not 'donating' money to the Project. The game is already fully funded, so if you pledge money at the beginning, which you can do through Amazon, you will get the game at a discount and, depending on what you pledge, you will also get added benefits and other things. Please consider pledging to Project Eternity. You'd end up with a great game at far lower prices than retail and you'll have a chance to move the industry toward quality development. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/obsidian/project-eternity" My wife has graciously, if no knowingly, decided to help also. It's getting down to crunch time and we need to figure out how to pull out all the stops. As our personal outlay dwindles, we need to figure out ways to encourage friends to buy into the project. 3 Fionavar's Holliday Wishes to all members of our online community: Happy Holidays Join the revelry at the Obsidian Plays channel:Obsidian Plays Remembering tarna, Phosphor, Metadigital, and Visceris. Drink mead heartily in the halls of Valhalla, my friends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabain Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I think including the Expansion as an Add-on on KS would pull in a much bigger increase in pledges. The Expansion is being made regardless of increases in pledges at this stage, right? Adding it for free to $165 tiers and above is great but is really only a bonus for those people. The majority of pledges are in the $20-$50 range, surely making an Addon at $10-$15 for the expansion could pull in big numbers from the people in those lower tiers. Far more likely 10k poeple would increase their pledge by $10-$15 than by $100. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diablo169 Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Expansion pack needs to be included as an add on option. I cant justify increasing my pledge that much since i already backed Wasteland 2. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstUsernameEver Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Well, on one hand, I'm pleased by the news. On the other hand, uhm, isn't it too soon to plan for an expansion? Obsidian has to be EXTREMELY careful with the planning there, they have no publisher delaying the project (in other words: give them more money) if they hit snags during development, and how are they even going to fund the expansion in the first place? What if the game isn't a success? Are they going to tell people who spent $165 "ooops, no expansion, we guess"? I don't really want to sound like a spoilsport, and I understand that they're trying to raise enthusiasm but.. yeah, any way to assuage my fears? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Ha ha ha they are soooo close to get me to up my pledge it's becoming a sort of game of brinkmanship. What other stretch goals and / or goodies will hove into view before I crack. It is, I admit, a pleasant dilemma even if I really can't afford it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Well, on one hand, I'm pleased by the news. On the other hand, uhm, isn't it too soon to plan for an expansion? Obsidian has to be EXTREMELY careful with the planning there, they have no publisher delaying the project (in other words: give them more money) if they hit snags during development, and how are they even going to fund the expansion in the first place? What if the game isn't a success? Are they going to tell people who spent $165 "ooops, no expansion, we guess"? I don't really want to sound like a spoilsport, and I understand that they're trying to raise enthusiasm but.. yeah, any way to assuage my fears? Let's put it this way --- reputationally they would be pretty stupid to promise something they can't deliver. Furthermore, you me and that bloke sitting over there all know that this game is going to be a hit. Apres-Kickstarter sales will be solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantousent Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 My gut instinct, WUE, is that they wouldn't have offered it if they hadn't budgeted enough money to figure that they'll have more ideas that they can develop than time before the first release. Even if it tanks, they're likely to be working on the x-pac even as the initial game ships. IF there are complaints about problems with the initial game, they'll wrap up a big patch into the xpac. Just a thought. 1 Fionavar's Holliday Wishes to all members of our online community: Happy Holidays Join the revelry at the Obsidian Plays channel:Obsidian Plays Remembering tarna, Phosphor, Metadigital, and Visceris. Drink mead heartily in the halls of Valhalla, my friends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leferd Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Will the XP come in multiple copies? Say your reward tier includes multiple downloads of the main game, would the same apply to the XP? "Things are funny...are comedic, because they mix the real with the absurd." - Buzz Aldrin."P-O-T-A-T-O-E" - Dan Quayle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Trethon Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Several comments on kickstarter are bringing up the issue of this expansion being day one DLC held for high ransom and I gotta agree......this move is a bit too greedy and inaccessible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobeck Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 "Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amentep Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 You'd figure M. Bison / Vega had bigger things to do with Shadaloo than to spend time working on Planescape: Torment, but there you are. 1 I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocDoomII Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 How could this be day one DLC? It will be released 6 months after the game... 8 Do you think Pillars of Eternity doesn't have enough Portraits? Submit your vote in this Poll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Well, on one hand, I'm pleased by the news. On the other hand, uhm, isn't it too soon to plan for an expansion? Obsidian has to be EXTREMELY careful with the planning there, they have no publisher delaying the project (in other words: give them more money) if they hit snags during development, and how are they even going to fund the expansion in the first place? What if the game isn't a success? Are they going to tell people who spent $165 "ooops, no expansion, we guess"? I don't really want to sound like a spoilsport, and I understand that they're trying to raise enthusiasm but.. yeah, any way to assuage my fears? I'm kind of curious as to the accounting. They have got to be anticipating sales to support an expansion, the kickstarter funds are going to the main game. That's okay, but what kind of sales are necessary to independently fund a solid expansion? "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 How could this be day one DLC? It will be released 6 months after the game... Never underestimate the power of internet-generated entitlement. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Trethon Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 How could this be day one DLC? It will be released 6 months after the game... Unless I misunderstood, which is possible, the wait is only for those that don't get it through pledging.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosveen Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) For the love of all that's holy, can we get one full game without expansions packs? No, I know we won't, but I can complain, right? Ahem. This needs to be as an add-on pledge too. People won't give up their physical maps, books and boxes just to get an expansion pack which they can buy later anyway (and the next physical tier is $110 away, that's a little too much for Wasteland 2 + expansion pack, don't you think?) Now think about it. You have ~48k people who pledged less than $100. If there's an ounce of economical thought in them, they won't raise their pledge by $65+ for the new rewards - especially not people in the range $20-50, where the majority of backers is located. These are the people whose pledges you want to raise, but you won't achieve it with this update. I'll happily pay for the expansion pack (I still need that Adventurer's Hall...), but I won't triple my pledge to get it... Unless I misunderstood, which is possible, the wait is only for those that don't get it through pledging.... Everybody gets the expansion pack at the same time (6 months after release), but you can pay for it in advance. Edited October 8, 2012 by Rosveen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merin Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Expansions pre-paid that are released months after main game is release != Day One DLC Not. Even. Close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 How could this be day one DLC? It will be released 6 months after the game... Unless I misunderstood, which is possible, the wait is only for those that don't get it through pledging.... You did misunderstand. The wait is for everyone. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstUsernameEver Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) I don't know, last time I checked, the only IE game to not get an expansion was Planescape: Torment, and I don't think many fans would have complained about one. I really don't have a problem about an expansion, since I expect they won't really be able to cram all the content they can think of in an expansion, and this will give them something to look forward and also an excuse to keep focused on a smaller scope (more polish). But yeah, my fear is basically that they're being too aggressively optimistic with projections (which seems weird given that they didn't predict the obvious day-1 success of the project). EDIT: I apologize for my posts feeling kind of disjointed, but the thread moves fast and it's kind of difficult to reply to single posts. Edited October 8, 2012 by WorstUsernameEver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoeless Joe Jackson Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) Edit, I should really read the update properly before posting Hmm, $250. Can I afford that? Edited October 8, 2012 by Shoeless Joe Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoss Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Bah! that's too much for me even including W2, I got into kickstarter after that one ended so i don't have a copy but still... (I'm on the $50 if anyones interested) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Trethon Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 How could this be day one DLC? It will be released 6 months after the game... Unless I misunderstood, which is possible, the wait is only for those that don't get it through pledging.... You did misunderstand. The wait is for everyone. Then I don't really care, I'll pay at release but my points stand.....more would pre-pay now if available separately and/or included at $140. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocDoomII Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 How could this be day one DLC? It will be released 6 months after the game... Unless I misunderstood, which is possible, the wait is only for those that don't get it through pledging.... You misunderstood. Do you think Pillars of Eternity doesn't have enough Portraits? Submit your vote in this Poll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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