SirthOsiris Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Going with classic here. Only needed lines from important NPCs, greetings, and voice packs for characters. I kind of like it like that, actually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hideo kuze Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Voting for Voice Characterization (introduction, dramatic reactions, small tidbits here and there) on most characters. Companions and major NPCs can have a bit more, but not full voice overs. PoE: Cast your vote on: Stretch Goals | Game Maturity | Party Creation | Level Scaling | World Map Interface | Magic System | Replayability and Choices | Quest Solving | Romances | Multiplayer | Art StyleProduction Beard at 4 million? Yes or No?Discuss: Time based mechanics | Narrated sequences | Weapon and armor design | Breaking from current molds | Different XP pools for combat and non-combat skills | Mounts and Combat | Races to be included (4th and 5th) PoE II: the party was already over when I arrived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tychoxi Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 (edited) I'd like it either with key characters fully voiced or with key characters having a few snippets here and there (I'd prefer this latter one for all the reasons stated before). Also, when *every* NPC has a generic greeting it gets annoying pretty fast, I'd rather most NPCs be completely silent. Edited September 22, 2012 by Tychoxi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umberlin Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I really, really don't need partially voiced or fully voiced NPCs to enjoy a game to its fullest regardless of what some developers, publishers and . . . unfortunately consumers insist. "Step away! She has brought truth and you condemn it? The arrogance! You will not harm her, you will not harm her ever again!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanpaco Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Hello,... I haven't finished Planescape: Torment. Entire thread is invalid. Codex Explorer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NerdBoner Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 No. Absolutely not. Fully voiced dialogue is one of, if not THE worst thing to happen to the RPG genre. At the very most, voice acting should be used for basic greetings and world ambience. Everything else, text. c'mon man, you can't tell me Irenicus's voice detracted from the game in ANY way...or any other of the great party members in the IE games. i vote for partial, just like in BG series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countdown0 Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Voice acting is great, but also expensive. Because this game doesn't have an $80 Million dollar budget, I have to say "no" to full voice acting. It would be nice to have it in important moments, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bos_hybrid Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I went with 3, could of went 2, but I don't see the need to have key characters fully voiced. I'll echo the sentiment that BG2/PS:T did it fine. However I waiting with a shotgun for the voiced PC request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sharmat Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I hate always hearing "You that!" and "You this" or whatever. KOTOR 2 got around that by calling you an informal title. "Everyone saying 'Exile'" to me made me feel like a superhero. Which I'm not sure was the point, but I still enjoyed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asoul Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I'd like some voice acting for the more important characters. Maybe some general banter for unnamed NPCs. Close to the way it was done in Baldur's Gate. Though I'd very much prefer if the PC him/herself was not voiced. I like to imagine my own character's voice. That's one of the main reasons I felt much more connected to the Warden from DAO than to Hawke, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archy Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) I'd really love full VO for the sake of my immersion (having to read dialogue from the screen and the lack of emotion VO would give for characters really puts me off) but if that wont fit the budget at least make the most important character fully voiced. Whenever possible I play with all subtitles turned off as only listening to characters gets me far deeper into the conversation than reading what they said could. Feels more alive. For example befriending or romancing a companion or someone else, progressing their storyline through a critical point or listening to an antagonists motives without the emotion VO gives feels kind of dead. I dont mind random dialogue with unimportant npcs not being voiced though (and it wont from what i hea) if it wont fit the budget. I might get flamed for this but I'd even like a voiced PC if that was possible. Its one of the rare things I've actually liked (one other would be cutscenes (commense flame)) in modern rpgs. I know theyre expensive and probably wont fit the budget but I'd still like them. I used to be 100% against voice PCs but have started to like it and with a good voice actor and nothing lost in options that which is lost in getting to imagine your voice would be well repaid in immersion and life for the PC. Though a bad actor and less choices would make brake said immersion so I suppose it wouldnt be worth the risk. Edited October 8, 2012 by Archy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly_Nightshade Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I'd rather not have voiced NPCs. "Geez. It's like we lost some sort of bet and ended up saddled with a bunch of terrible new posters on this forum." -Hurlshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieo Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I'd really love full VO for the sake of my immersion (having to read dialogue from the screen and the lack of emotion VO would give for characters really puts me off) but if that wont fit the budget at least make the most important character fully voiced. Whenever possible I play with all subtitles turned off as only listening to characters gets me far deeper into the conversation than reading what they said could. Feels more alive. For example befriending or romancing a companion or someone else, progressing their storyline through a critical point or listening to an antagonists motives without the emotion VO gives feels kind of dead. I dont mind random dialogue with unimportant npcs not being voiced though (and it wont from what i hea) if it wont fit the budget. I might get flamed for this but I'd even like a voiced PC if that was possible. Its one of the rare things I've actually liked (one other would be cutscenes (commense flame)) in modern rpgs. I know theyre expensive and probably wont fit the budget but I'd still like them. I used to be 100% against voice PCs but have started to like it and with a good voice actor and nothing lost in options that which is lost in getting to imagine your voice would be well repaid in immersion and life for the PC. Though a bad actor and less choices would make brake said immersion so I suppose it wouldnt be worth the risk. Oh yeah. Here is my blow-torch~ :FWOOOOOOOOMMMM: Feargus from the Kickstarter Q&A Oct 6: Question: I know you've decided against full voice acting - does that apply to the companions as well? Or will it be as in NWN2 where the companions were fully voice acted (which I personlly think is great)? Thanks ) Feargus: I think the companions will have more voice compared to other NPCs in the game, but I don't think we will be voicing every line. We want to give the writers the ability to "go nuts" and not worry about bleeding into another voice session (300 lines = $3K to $5K with SAG, director, studio, etc...).[ NO TO FULL VA. GRAR. The KS Collector's Edition does not include the Collector's Book. Which game hook brought you to Project Eternity and interests you the most? PE will not have co-op/multiplayer, console, or tablet support (sources): [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Write your own romance mods because there won't be any in PE. "But what is an evil? Is it like water or like a hedgehog or night or lumpy?" -(Digger) "Most o' you wanderers are but a quarter moon away from lunacy at the best o' times." -Alvanhendar (Baldur's Gate 1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkaloke Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I'm fairly neutral on whether NPCs have voices or not, really. I'm fine with it if they don't; it doesn't bother me if they do. It's obviously easier and less expensive and all if they don't, so I tend to lean that way. Greetings and the occasional important line is plenty (as in Baldur's Gate or Icewind Dale). I might get flamed for this but I'd even like a voiced PC if that was possible. Its one of the rare things I've actually liked (one other would be cutscenes (commense flame)) in modern rpgs. I know theyre expensive and probably wont fit the budget but I'd still like them. I used to be 100% against voice PCs but have started to like it and with a good voice actor and nothing lost in options that which is lost in getting to imagine your voice would be well repaid in immersion and life for the PC. Though a bad actor and less choices would make brake said immersion so I suppose it wouldnt be worth the risk. Death to the disbeliever! Joking aside, PC voice sets with just the occasional yell and on selects and all are just fine with me, but more than that? No. Having a voiced PC is, in my opinion, the single worst thing that has happened to modern RPGs, even edging out all the other problems I see with them. Obviously some or perhaps even many people like it, and that's great for them and all, but they've got plenty of games to choose from with that now and looking to have more. And, even beyond my (admittedly rather intense) dislike of it, I think it would be completely out of place here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wombat Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 IMO, VO should be just enough for characterizations like in IE games. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeraude Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 As said elsewhere: Optimally, I’d argue games should play at the player’ pace – unless you aim for a very specific effect in taking back the control of pacing. Pure text is a great tool for many reasons: cheaper, allows more nimble iterative design process, can stimulate the imagination in ways graphics and sound can’t and it’s probably the optimum tool in cost/efficiency ratio to deliver optional information to players. There’s a also a literary quality of gaming – and I do mean games as a literary medium – that has been left on the wayside, unexplored as the Hollywood hard-on of gaming companies caught on. I’m personally hoping all those smaller projects we see popping can get back to it and expand on it. Voice over is mainly a one trick pony: . It does so at tremendous cost, on an economical level, on the creative process, and on the design of the game. Personally, I tend to be of the opinion that unless what you want to do in game cannot be achieved without voice-acting, then it shouldn’t be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kabaliero Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 BG2 style please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harhar! Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Good voice-acting brings a lot of athmosphere and charakter into a game. I always like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlintlockJazz Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 No, not at all for this type of game. Even big AAA budget games are screwed by VA as it vastly reduces the amount of dialogue and reactivity in the game. For linear games like a normal adventure game its fine and adds to it but for RPGs the drawbacks outweigh the benefits. "That rabbit's dynamite!" - King Arthur, Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail "Space is big, really big." - Douglas Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loranc Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Kotor 2 was one of the rpg's that had major development issues and bugs, hell half of the game wasn't even completed, a group of people had to take and piece together all of the remnants that were inside the game disc and finish the game. One of the things that caused Kotor 2's problem was voice acting. Voice acting is one of the biggest things that is hurting games in general right now. Full voice acting requires lines and text to be done beforehand and if anything changes down the line it requires a whole lot of effort to try and rework the script to fit the changes. A lot of good ideas and potential get left sitting around someplace due to the rushed pace that full voice acting puts game developers into. With a large narrative game, an rpg, full voice acting takes away so much potential when there's not a very big budget to begin with. Not to mention it would take them forever to make this game if that happened. This is just some of the highlights I was reading over http://www.joystiq.c...than-its-worth/ take a look for yourself, read the article, and perhaps get a better idea of what the toll of having voice acting truly is in an rpg these days. 3 Obsidian @Obsidian Current PayPal status: $140,000. 2,200 backers "Hmm so last Paypal information was 140,000 putting us at 4,126,929. We did well over and beyond 4 million, and still have an old backer number from Paypal. 76,186 backers. It's very possible that we have over 75,000 backers if I had new Paypal information. Which means we may have 15 Mega dungeon levels, and we already are going to have an amazing game + cats (I swear I will go stir crazy if Adam doesn't own up to the cats thing )." Switching to Paypal means that more of your money will go towards Project Eternity. (The more you know.) Paypal charges .30 cents per transaction and 2.2% for anything over 100,000 per month for U.S currency. Other currency is different, ranging from anywhere between 2.2-4.9%. Kick Starter is a fixed 5% charge at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bos_hybrid Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I might get flamed for this but I'd even like a voiced PC if that was possible. Its one of the rare things I've actually liked (one other would be cutscenes (commense flame)) in modern rpgs. (%*$!#(#($*%!!! :banghead: :banghead: :ban: Considering it's those features that are having a detrimental effect on the entire genre. I'm going to have to vehemently disagree. There is absolutely no need for a dev to come up with the idea of having a voiced PC if they are making an RPG. It's benefits are minimal and it's negatives are high. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hideo kuze Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) Feargus from the Kickstarter Q&A Oct 6: Question: I know you've decided against full voice acting - does that apply to the companions as well? Or will it be as in NWN2 where the companions were fully voice acted (which I personlly think is great)? Thanks ) Feargus: I think the companions will have more voice compared to other NPCs in the game, but I don't think we will be voicing every line. We want to give the writers the ability to "go nuts" and not worry about bleeding into another voice session (300 lines = $3K to $5K with SAG, director, studio, etc...).[ YES! This is exactly what I want. Partial VO for character characterization and key moments that require more dramatization. PS:T had 800,000 words. I wouldn't be surprised this game having more. Let's say this game will have 1M words. That would mean $1M to $1.5M just for VO!!! Which is insane! Not to mention plain impossible. If you cut VO to 20%-25% of the text, then you end up with a more manageable figure, and get the best of both worlds. And truth be told... how many of you skip half of the audio because you've already read the text and listed to this NPC hundreds of times. Another thing is that partial VO make those moments when they speak even more engaging. It's the same thing with music. Some people ask for a full epic orchestral music soundtrack. But the fact is, if you have that all the time, then after a while it becomes dull and is no longer able to serve it's purpose... you know for those special "epic" dramatic moments. Edited October 8, 2012 by hideo kuze PoE: Cast your vote on: Stretch Goals | Game Maturity | Party Creation | Level Scaling | World Map Interface | Magic System | Replayability and Choices | Quest Solving | Romances | Multiplayer | Art StyleProduction Beard at 4 million? Yes or No?Discuss: Time based mechanics | Narrated sequences | Weapon and armor design | Breaking from current molds | Different XP pools for combat and non-combat skills | Mounts and Combat | Races to be included (4th and 5th) PoE II: the party was already over when I arrived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaldurenik Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I think BG handled it in a good way. A few parts here and there at important events and Irenicus... I dont want full voice acting and i dont want a voice for the main character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolar Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) Voice-acting, yes, but fully.. ..no. Besides, within the limits of time and money, that won't be possible anyway. Quality is crucial. Edited October 8, 2012 by Wolar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhylin Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) I'm for major events or none at all. I'm fine with none because it doesn't limit how much dialog is in the game & imagination of how a character sounds is 100x better to the player. I'm sure the voice acting can get pretty expensive. Edited October 8, 2012 by Rhylin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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