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Hi all..

Just finished my first playthrough with stats recording 14 kills and I was wondering whats the minimum.

So after some thinking, here is a list and I appreciate helping me with it.

 

Legend

Required - kills that you must do in order to advance a critical mission

Optional - kills required by optional missions or objectives

Avoidable - kills that can be avoided but it doesn't make much sense to do so or is too complicated (usually boss adds)

 

 

Saudi Arabia

Required

1) Shaheed's lieutainant - I threw him over the bridge with a stealth kill, but now I am wondering if he can be taked down with a KO, he isn't registered in the stats (actually no cutscene kills are)

2) Shaheed's driver (?) - this one is a bit odd, my stats show 1 heavy weapon kill and the only time I used one was nuking Shaheeds armored car (the only other time I used a heavy was a stationed gun while escaping the underground but I'm 99% sure I reloaded that part)

 

Optional

2) Elite guards in the airport mission - interesting fact: you can actually KO both and the game registers the objective as complete (btw this is probably the worst designed mission ever.. you can ko or kill all the guards, even get this optional assasination, you can even trigger all the alarms and the bug never gets found)

 

 

Avoidable

1) In the final fight with Shaheed there are 3 guards I originally shot, but at that time I wasn't confident in trq darts which I used alot later.. In retrospective, I think you should be able to tranq the 2 guards coming your way but it would probably make more sense to simply shoot the one in the tower with an AR

 

 

Rome

Avoidable

1) Maddison's captor can be shot with a tranq dart which I didn't know at the time

 

 

Taiwan

3) Assault the triad HQ - mission from Hong Shi - need help on this one: can it be skipped and what are the consequences if you skip it

 

 

Moscow

Required

1) Lazo - I think this one can't be skipped (meeting Sis and all)

 

Optional

1) Dimitri - if you buy additional intel before the mission, no consequences either way

 

 

Finale

Required

1) Darcy - you can actually take him down with tranq darts but the game says MT killed him

 

 

Total:

Required - 4 (Sh. big guard and driver (?), Lazo, Darcy)

Optional - 3 (2 Sh. elite guard, Dimitri)

Avoidable - 2 (tower guard in Sh. fight, Madison's captor)

Not sure - 3 (Hong Shi's runaway lt)

 

P.S. All the "bosses" are optional as well but that goes without saying so it didn't make much sense to include them in the list

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The second time I played the game as a veteran I had zero kills in my stats screen. Shaheeds lieutainant is always thrown over the bridge as far as I know. Everyone else does not have to be killed. Oh, and bosses do not count as kills, but I never killed anyone but the lieutainant.

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I've done a non-lethal playthrough and ended with 2 kills total - but those were both collateral and unintended kills - as stated above, "boss" kills don't count in the stats, so you can definitely finish with zippo kills total. Its a fun playthrough - tranq rounds, hand-to-hand, shock grenades, and flashbangs! :fdevil:

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I have no idea what you mean by Shaheed's driver - the only thing that counts as "Heavy Weapons" are mounted machine guns. There are no kills associated with knocking out the APC Shaheed is in.

 

If you stealth your way up to Shaheed's Lt, having taken down the roaming guards silently, you do not even have fight the Lt at all - as soon as you approach close enough to him the cut scene fires showing you knocking him over the bridge.

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There are no required kills.

 

You can finish the game with zero quite easily, though it does require patience and some points invested in Stealth. Avoid fights when you can, and use pistols (with tranq darts) and martial arts when you can't.


"Art and song are creations but so are weapons and lies"

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I managed to get 0 kills with a Veteran character on hard. Quite challenging in spots but fun. Certain things that technically there are events that you would think would count as kills, like shooting down helicopters but they are not counted.

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I managed to get 0 kills with a Veteran character on hard. Quite challenging in spots but fun. Certain things that technically there are events that you would think would count as kills, like shooting down helicopters but they are not counted.

 

 

To update my OP..

I'm on my second play and have completed Saudi Arabia, Taipei (up to stop Deng) and Bug CIA post in Rome on Hard..

 

Only non avoidable kill is Shaheed's Lt, who dies in a cutscene thus your statistic is unchanged.. The scene plays out whether you take him out by stealthing to him or by fighting him the normal way.

Unavoidable "kill" as well is Darcy who can be tranqued and the statistic remains at 0 kills, but the report after the mission says he is dead.. And your handler comments on it. Obviously sequel thing.. Though maybe someone slit his throat after you pass him :)

The chopper in the last mission is questionable as well.. You bring it down but there is no mention of the "kill".. Ofc in theory the chopper crew could have survived the crash but it is very unlikely.

 

Optional objective "take out Shaheed's guards" can be done by simple ko (trq) but the game says you killed them and again your handler (Mina) comments on it..

Assault the triads is actually "defeat lt" not kill so it can be done by ko as well.. On the other hand the last scene from that mission shows numerous dead triad even if you manage to avoid kills. Btw the mission is skippable if you want to avoid it.

I'm guessing it is possible to ko Lazo then as well, though I'm not sure how the game interprets it.

 

TLDR:

It is possible to achieve a 0 kill statistic in the panel but actually there are a few situations which make sense (or are interpreted by the game) otherwise..

Edited by NightShadow

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Assault the triads is actually "defeat lt" not kill so it can be done by ko as well.. On the other hand the last scene from that mission shows numerous dead triad even if you manage to avoid kills. Btw the mission is skippable if you want to avoid it.

I'm guessing it is possible to ko Lazo then as well, though I'm not sure how the game interprets it.

I had hacked a computer to turn the gun turrets on the barrage of guards, so the cutscene showing bodies made sense in my playthrough. Luckily 'I' didn't technically land the killing blow of the gun turrets so it isn't counted as kills in your stats. I can't imagine having to go through that mission on hard WITHOUT hacking the turret. All those guards just come pouring in.

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It is possible to achieve a 0 kill statistic in the panel but actually there are a few situations which make sense (or are interpreted by the game) otherwise..

 

So sorry. Didn't realize when I posted that we were talking about what you thought should or should not be kills. For some crazy reason, I thought we were using something standardized and objective (like the game stats or something). Ignore what I said earlier. Obviously you can't complete the game without killing however many people NightShadow says you have to kill.

 

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"Art and song are creations but so are weapons and lies"

"Our worst enemies are inventions of the mind. Pleasure. Fear. When we see them for what they are, we become unstoppable."

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