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The Conspiracy Against Alpha Protocol

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The opinion split on this game is remarkable.

 

I read one post and I feel like, yeah, all right, sounds good, I'll get it tomorrow. Then I read the next post and I'm like, yeah, all right, sounds like a potential POS, I'll pick it out of the bargain bin in a few months for 1/3 the price.

 

meh.

 

Considering its Obsidian when wasn't it. There are most of these issues but they are exterrageted. They are not worse than in most other Games. So, if you don't go into a negative mindset into this game there is a good chance you will like it.

 

 

If I had plenty of money, I would just buy it and take my chances. But, while I can afford the occasional game purchase, I really can't afford to throw away the money on a game that I don't enjoy or that's just too buggy.

 

If Sega/Obs released a patch, it would at least reassure me that they are standing by the game and working to make it better.

 

Right now, I can't even tell if they just released the game to get what money they could from gamers and are just glad to be done with it. If that is the case, I really don't want to spend money on the game. No way to tell of course. Unless time and money are spent developing a patch or two.


Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that.

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The main problem US reviewers have are that the days of having a decent RPG specialist on the staff are long gone, so you are going to get your RPG reviewed by someone who thinks ME2 is the epitome and apogee of RPG. If you're lucky. Else you get a Halo is an RPG type or the intern who was really hoping for RDR. In Europe you're far more likely to get someone who has, well, played an actual RPG at some time in the past decade- hence the very similar review dichotomy found with Risen where most US reviewers hated it and most Euros liked it.

 

In any case it'd be far better if everyone ignored formal reviews and just got recommendations from people whose views they value, frankly.

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What bugs exactly Paraclete? AP is relatively bug free, please tell me these serious issues.

 

You compare AP to these highly rated yet seriously bugged games then I am sorry to say AP is relatively low on bugs.

 

:lol:

 

No.

 

1.

Save Mina bugged.

 

2. Numerous CTD.

3. Engine slowdown for no reason.

4. Checkpoint saves not recognizng completed objectives.

5. Guards not disappearing during Parkers mission.

6. Enemies getting stuck in walls.

7. Enemies disappearing after loading a checkpoint.

8. Alt-Tab causing crash.

 

I experienced all of them in one playthrough, so yes this game is buggy. Buggier than previously mentioned games.

 

I've already posted this elsewhere, but I've finally played AP and I can say that, IMO, the majority of criticism is unwarranted and hypocritical since many "AAA" games such as Mass Effect, Oblivion and Fable 2 have the same issues that AP has.

 

Again no. I myself prefer AP to Oblivion, Fable 2, FO3. But that does not render me blind to AP problems, which it definitely has.

 

Sorry, but ME1 has exactly the same gameplay as AP, no wait, AP gameplay is more advanced ME1 didn't have tactical critical hits as AP has.

 

Obviously you haven't played ME, if you had you would know the it's a 3rd person squad based game, compared to AP being a third person stealth based game. While both being action RPGs, they both tring to achive different things. It's like comparing Gears to MGS.

 

As for the Conspiracy against AP..... :lol:

 

AP from a purely C&C and interesting characters veiwpoint, is great. However this is a game and the are some serious flaw in it. The RPG mechanics are interesting. Stealth, Martial art, Sabotage and Tech are the highlights, however using pistol makes makes the game too easy, there is no reason to use SMG and Shotguns due to their ineffectiveness.

 

Presentation is poor, music is unremakable, AI is terrible(to be fair all RPG AI is, but in a stealth game this is made more apparent) graphics are average - poor(obviously the PS2 comparison is idiotic, but still not good), animation is poor. UI is inadequate, the lack of hotkeys on the PC port is saddening and as mentioned the game is buggy.

 

Having said all that it might seem that I don't like the game, the bizarre thing is I really like it. The flaws definately take away from the game, but I can't deny I'm really enjoying it. In the end it seems like it's going to be another VTM:B as others have said.

 

If I had plenty of money, I would just buy it and take my chances. But, while I can afford the occasional game purchase, I really can't afford to throw away the money on a game that I don't enjoy or that's just too buggy.

 

If Sega/Obs released a patch, it would at least reassure me that they are standing by the game and working to make it better.

 

Right now, I can't even tell if they just released the game to get what money they could from gamers and are just glad to be done with it. If that is the case, I really don't want to spend money on the game. No way to tell of course. Unless time and money are spent developing a patch or two.

 

In the end it's up to you, by your posts your not one to listen to reviewers(good thing), but look at the posters on this forum even more critically then you do reviewers. Fanboys are rarely objective. From your posts, it seems to me thake you enjoy a good game more then a good story, if that is the case, waiting for AP to drop in price might be in your best interests. But in all honesty I usually hesitate to recommend/discourage games due to peoples taste being so varied.

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This is what happens when you have Sega as a publisher. That company has been so out of touch with gamers for so long that it's hilarious.

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The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.

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^ SEGA Japan =/= SEGA USA.

Not that I know much of Sega at all, except that AvP and AP (both with A and P as their initials in the title, yeah! :( ) turned out to be mediocre games (according to the reviewers.. me? didn't play them, except a quick try of the AvP mp demo).

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This is what happens when you have Sega as a publisher. That company has been so out of touch with gamers for so long that it's hilarious.

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Well played sir.

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This is what happens when you have Sega as a publisher. That company has been so out of touch with gamers for so long that it's hilarious.

bayonettaps3usboxart.jpg

 

Is that the PS3 version? ;)

 

Don't get me started on the Yakuza localizations.

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A conspiracy??? You have got to be kidding me.

 

From the outside looking in, you people claiming conspiracy are having a severe case of fanboyitis. It is incredibly laughable to think company's care enough to derail a game company just for the heck of it.

 

anything to make you feel better I guess, well I sure hope it worked, lol.

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Did you even read the first sentence, Mr Apparently-fanboy-is-my-favorite-word?


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Don't the trolls generally use the word "fanboy" as support or opening word?...

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Did you even read the first sentence, Mr Apparently-fanboy-is-my-favorite-word?

 

Look I have nothing against you, but if you take a step back and look at this thread and just read with an objective eye, you will start laughing, trust me.

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Did you even read the first sentence, Mr Apparently-fanboy-is-my-favorite-word?

 

Look I have nothing against you, but if you take a step back and look at this thread and just read with an objective eye, you will start laughing, trust me.

 

You don't get the thread do you. (Most) of the members here made a joke about it. It isn't about a conspiracy. It is just a point out to all the bashing it gets.

 

For critic points that many other games have too who are way higher ranked.

 

 

Of course, there "could" be someone who is thinking about an actualy conspiracy, but I see nobody particular in this thread.

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I did, made 1 or 2 conspiracy jokes too, but I don't get worked up over stuff like this and call everyone a fanboy.

There's a lot of things people go overboard about on this forum and on every other too. If that's what they want, good for them, I don't care.

 

Besides, fanboyism is like (un)professional reviews and being called a noob: unremarkably pass


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What version of those games were you playing? I never once had issues in ME/2, Oblivion, or Fallout3.

 

You guys can attempt to justify or rationalize your purchase all you want by talking **** about great games, but the truth of the matter, and what you need to REALIZE, is that AP has some serious issues. I know it makes your fanboy powers weak to admit it, but AP just isn't that great of a game. Sure, it has it's moments(trust me it's fun at times), but it has TOO many bugs IMO to offset those issues.

 

Here's the irony of your comment.

 

You criticize Deus Ex Machina because "you didn't have any issues with ME1/2, Oblivion, or Fallout 3."

 

It's possible that people don't have issues with Alpha Protocol too. I haven't found any bugs yet (but it's still early for me).

Huh?

 

Where did I criticize Deus Ex? That's in my top 5 games of all time

 

I never said you criticized Deus Ex. I was talking about the user "Deus Ex Machina" (which you even partially bolded and underlined.

 

You said that he was being a fanboy because there are clearly issues with AP, while you had none with ME1/2, Oblivion, or Fallout 3. You failed to recognize that maybe he didn't have issues with AP.

 

 

As an update, I played the game last night and at the end, my Steam said that I had been in the game for 586 minutes for that current session :sorcerer:

 

Loving the game so far. The subtle (and not so subtle) responses to your actions are just awesome.

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My personal theory on this is that many reviews are copied from other reviews. Net result, a couple of bad reviews basically got plagiarized into 20 bad reviews.

 

Like many I was hesitant to buy the game after reading some of them, but I'd say it was well worth the money. It's too subjective to compare, but i'd rank AP alongside games like deus ex, vampire the masquerade, mass effect etc and that's some pretty legendary company...

 

Certainly the complaints about enemy AI seem very inaccurate. It's no worse than any other rpg/shooter I can think of and far from being gamebreaking as some reviews seemed to imply.

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Yeah, it's better than, say, ME2's.

 

However since there enemies didn't have to deal with you sneaking (they always know where you are), patrolling, identifying fallen bodies, call in backup, be in different alert states etc. it's not so noticable how much more lacking the AI there is, since their task is far simpler than in AP.

 

Somewhat the same Deus Ex has to deal with, making enemies not all too smart not to make it impossible to stealth, and then people claim it's "bad AI".

 

Sure it can use improvements, but it's pretty hard to make them smart and deal with all those factors and still allow stealth. And not make them obviously cheat (which they already do, as they all know your location once the alarm goes off, like ME2 foes).


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I agree that that is such a stupid idiotic pathetic garbage hateful retarded scumbag evil satanic nazi like term ever created. At least top 5.

 

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My personal theory on this is that many reviews are copied from other reviews. Net result, a couple of bad reviews basically got plagiarized into 20 bad reviews.

 

 

I actually read somewhere that they do that, unfortunately this was before I installed Linux so it'd be impossible for me to dig this up.

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The opinion split on this game is remarkable.

 

I read one post and I feel like, yeah, all right, sounds good, I'll get it tomorrow. Then I read the next post and I'm like, yeah, all right, sounds like a potential POS, I'll pick it out of the bargain bin in a few months for 1/3 the price.

 

meh.

 

I think Mass Effect 2 created an expectation in some people, that AP, because on the outside it looks like a 3rd person shooter, should control in the same way. The fact that there's old school style rpg calculations running things under the hood really throws them off. Perhaps that isn't fair, but hey, it's their $60-$100, if they've gone off that style of game, they're free to buy something else.

 

On the other hand, if you go into AP accepting that it's an RPG first and foremost, that stats will determine your success rather than reflexes and twitch skills, and are happy with that sort of game, you're bound to enjoy it.

 

Really, on the 360, the graphics are better than what Dragon Age did (the PC versions would be another debate). And the AI is on par with ME1. Meh :p

 

As for a conspiracy... doubt it. Sega's not a major player anymore, but there's no reason for gamesites to put them and their delicious advertising dollars offside for fun.

 

What Mass Effect 2 did was raise the bar on what a CRPG should be. When the bar is raised, expectations are raised.

 

What AP did was fail to meet everybody's expectations. Yes they were expecting an RPG, but they were also expecting a fairly decent shooter/stealth game to go along with it. That is where AP dropped the ball.

 

I'm not a hater or anything, I actually like AP. The conversation system and the fact that your choices have consequences, unlike Mass Effect's "you win regardless of what you do" outcome, is ground breaking and raises the bar on how much choice is to be given to an individual player when determining how the story unfolds.

 

That being said, the whole shooter part of the game failed to even come close to the bar set by Mass Effect 2. The stealth part of the game is essentially a poor man's Splinter Cell or MGS (take your pick).

 

So yeah, I guess my expectations were too high coming in. Is that a bad thing?

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What Mass Effect 2 did was raise the bar on what a CRPG should be. When the bar is raised, expectations are raised.

 

What? You're joking, right? :ermm:


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What Mass Effect 2 did was raise the bar on what a CRPG should be. When the bar is raised, expectations are raised.

 

What? You're joking, right? :lol:

 

Yes thats right, I'm joking. Certainly games of ME2's polish, quality and production values don't do anything to raise expectations of other games.

 

Just like how the original Half-Life didn't raise expectations for future FPS games to become more cinematic, nor how MGS for the playstation didn't raise expectations for games everywhere to have high quality voice acting and cinematic cutscenes.

 

Instead of cherry picking my post for a single statement just to make a dumbass remark, why not put some effort into it and actually tell me your opinion.

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Thanks for all the feedback.

 

It would seem that, much like Deadly Premonition, AP has garnered a cult following. I loved Deadly Premonition. I'm picking up AP as soon as I get off work today and I'll be sure to post my impressions as an RPG player and as a vet gamer.

 

I'm sure I'll find that the criticism is not entirely justified.

 

Hi guys, new to these forums. When I first played I kinda enjoyed it. It's been the three playthroughs since that the true gem that the game is has revealed itself. Not too many AAA games get released bug free, and as long as they aren't game breakers they don't send me into a rant.

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What Mass Effect 2 did was raise the bar on what a CRPG should be. When the bar is raised, expectations are raised.

 

What? You're joking, right? :lol:

 

Yes thats right, I'm joking. Certainly games of ME2's polish, quality and production values don't do anything to raise expectations of other games.

 

Just like how the original Half-Life didn't raise expectations for future FPS games to become more cinematic, nor how MGS for the playstation didn't raise expectations for games everywhere to have high quality voice acting and cinematic cutscenes.

 

Instead of cherry picking my post for a single statement just to make a dumbass remark, why not put some effort into it and actually tell me your opinion.

 

Problem is here Mass Effect 2 is as much as an crpg as most adventures. The mechanics are shooter through and through.

Also, if you believe it or not, there are people that value other things over production value and polish.

 

Not to mention there are tons of more polished and better quality 3rd person shooters out ther

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I think that a lot of the criticisms of AP are justified, but the review scores are way too low. No way does it deserve less than an 8. It certainly could've been more polished, and there probably should've been more emphasis on the spy elements rather than making it primarily a level based shooter, but it's still a damn good game.

 

And it grows on you too. Once you play it a few times, or read a few posts about other people's playthroughs, you realize that the reactivity to the player's decisions is mind-boggling. No game I've ever played had a story that accounted for so many permutations. Not even ME2 or DA can match AP in that department.

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Mass effect 2 was good and fun, but it was nothing over the top, nothing special. Mass effect 2 is simple and the AI is simple. It didn't need any good AI. The combat mechanics although fun, were not anything new to be honest. Same old same old.

 

Yes, I love mass effect 1 and 2 but they didn't bring anything new onto the table.

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