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Before starting to throw pies at each other, remember this:

 

He was the one really great man I ever knew, and for whom I had unbounded admiration. The world will be a very much poorer place without him.

 

- Friedrich Hayek on Keynes death.

 

"In my opinion it is a grand book ... Morally and philosophically I find myself in agreement with virtually the whole of it: and not only in agreement with it, but in deeply moved agreement."

 

- John Maynard Keynes on Hayek's book "The Road the Serfdom".

 

...and we're off!

"Some men see things as they are and say why?"
"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

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I thought this would be Salma Hayek Vs Maynard Keynes. Disappointment.

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Get your ass to the tit-thread(ME2) then, we need you!

"Some men see things as they are and say why?"
"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

- Some guy 

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Personally, i have a hard time between the two, since in one way, they are very equal: wanting prosperity for everyone. In another way, they are complete opposites: One wants to the state to fuse capital into the economy in order balance the ups and downs in the long run, while the other wants to limit the power of the state so that the economy would balance itself out.

 

My problem comes from that they both deal with power. With one, the state can grow too powerful and corrupt and can even hinder development. The other can also corrupt and hinder the economy because of those in wealth will do anything keep it, even influencing the state to make laws to protect their interests.

 

That's my two cents.

"Some men see things as they are and say why?"
"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

- Some guy 

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Personally, i have a hard time between the two, since in one way, they are very equal: wanting prosperity for everyone. In another way, they are complete opposites: One wants to the state to fuse capital into the economy in order balance the ups and downs in the long run, while the other wants to limit the power of the state so that the economy would balance itself out.

 

My problem comes from that they both deal with power. With one, the state can grow too powerful and corrupt and can even hinder development. The other can also corrupt and hinder the economy because of those in wealth will do anything keep it, even influencing the state to make laws to protect their interests.

 

That's my two cents.

 

So... what you're saying is... you need a balance between the two? ;(

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Personally, i have a hard time between the two, since in one way, they are very equal: wanting prosperity for everyone. In another way, they are complete opposites: One wants to the state to fuse capital into the economy in order balance the ups and downs in the long run, while the other wants to limit the power of the state so that the economy would balance itself out.

 

My problem comes from that they both deal with power. With one, the state can grow too powerful and corrupt and can even hinder development. The other can also corrupt and hinder the economy because of those in wealth will do anything keep it, even influencing the state to make laws to protect their interests.

 

That's my two cents.

 

So... what you're saying is... you need a balance between the two? :lol:

 

Something like that. How do you minimize the abuse of power the best?

"Some men see things as they are and say why?"
"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

- Some guy 

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:lol::lol:

"Some men see things as they are and say why?"
"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

- Some guy 

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Quick, everyone! Imagine Salma Hayek in From Dusk til Dawn! Now that's what I call trickle down economics.

"It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"."

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No, no, the economist. And Salma. In a sweaty battle of wits and hawtness.

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I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.
Heja Sverige!!
Everyone should cuffawkle more.
The wrench is your friend. :bat:

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oh, ok. i thought a sweaty battle between beautiful selma hayek and eccentric maynard keenan would be equally interesting, however. well, if you're into that sort of thing. :lol:

 

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given keenan's erratic on-stage behavior (seen him twice now, equally odd both times), it is entirely within the realm of possibility that it would be a solo hayek show.

 

taks

 

 

You say that like it's a bad thing.

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In the Tool days he mostly just did his contortionist thing, it was pretty awesome though. They only played here once, but I saw em.

 

 

 

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In the Tool days he mostly just did his contortionist thing, it was pretty awesome though. They only played here once, but I saw em.

he was backlit behind a screen when i saw him the first time, so all we got was his shadow. the second show i saw i don't recall what he did (same tour, different venue, however).

 

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In the Tool days he mostly just did his contortionist thing, it was pretty awesome though. They only played here once, but I saw em.

he was backlit behind a screen when i saw him the first time, so all we got was his shadow. the second show i saw i don't recall what he did (same tour, different venue, however).

 

taks

 

It was the same thing when i saw Tool a couple of years ago. Completely backlit so we could only see a a giant silhuette of him during the 2-2,5h concert. Quite odd since he actually talked a lot to the audience and made jokes between the songs as well. I think that Maynard probably has the driest humor of any "superstar" that i know of.

 

They had cool visualeffects during the show though.

"Some men see things as they are and say why?"
"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

- Some guy 

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Salma Hayek should do economics lectures. I'd actually pay attention then.

"It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"."

             -Elwood Blues

 

tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp.

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