Ausir Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 First Mothership Zeta screenshot : http://www.ausir.master.pl/MZDLC_Wanamingo.jpg Pillars of Eternity Wiki * The Vault - Fallout Wiki * Wasteland 2 Wiki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly_Nightshade Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 :lol: "Geez. It's like we lost some sort of bet and ended up saddled with a bunch of terrible new posters on this forum." -Hurlshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syraxis Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Atleast one idea in Broken Steel was directly taken from the cancelled Fallout 3 Van Buren. What would that be? After Operation: Anchorage I don't plan on buying anymore Falout 3 DLC for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinkieGorilla Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 such a wierd mix of good and bad ideas in that game. clearly someone in power was an idiot and lacked a unified vision other than "if its fun for me we'll keep it in the game!" gee, wonder who that'd be? First Mothership Zeta screenshot : http://www.ausir.master.pl/MZDLC_Wanamingo.jpg the hell? no seriously...huh? hopw roewur ne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreasyDogMeat Posted May 20, 2009 Author Share Posted May 20, 2009 Atleast one idea in Broken Steel was directly taken from the cancelled Fallout 3 Van Buren. What would that be? After Operation: Anchorage I don't plan on buying anymore Falout 3 DLC for a while. Satellite system capable of oribital bombardment. Was to be a major plot point of Van Buren. Not sure of the context in Broken Steel as I haven't got that far yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagaziel Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Another very poorly implemented plot device: you can nuke the crawler or the Citadel, which begs the question: why didn't the Enclave just nuke the Citadel in the first place? HMIC for: [ The Wasteland Wiki ] [ Pillars of Eternity Wiki ] [ Tyranny Wiki ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristes Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Unfortunately, this article isn't convincing me to change my mind about the DLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 (edited) Another very poorly implemented plot device: you can nuke the crawler or the Citadel, which begs the question: why didn't the Enclave just nuke the Citadel in the first place? For instance, because they wanted to use the Citadel for their own ends after crushing the Brotherhood. It is a major symbol of the old America, they would never want to destroy it. For the same reason they would try to get control of the Capitol Building (look at the vertibirds that often spawn there in the game) Edited May 20, 2009 by virumor The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagaziel Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 So in order to potentially have a symbol no one cares about nor remembers (remember, two centuries passed, people won't know what the Pentagon was) they would refuse to obliterate the headquarters of the biggest threat to their existence? Sorry, doesn't make sense. Especially not when you consider that they had no problems nuking Liberty Prime and as a symbol of America, well, he was worth much, much more. HMIC for: [ The Wasteland Wiki ] [ Pillars of Eternity Wiki ] [ Tyranny Wiki ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 So in order to potentially have a symbol no one cares about nor remembers (remember, two centuries passed, people won't know what the Pentagon was) they would refuse to obliterate the headquarters of the biggest threat to their existence? Sorry, doesn't make sense. Especially not when you consider that they had no problems nuking Liberty Prime and as a symbol of America, well, he was worth much, much more. The Enclave did seem to remember, though, IIRC Eden did mention the Pentagon as an important military installation so capturing it may have very well been on the laundry list. It makes more sense when the PC has destroyed Raven Rock - one would imagine that the Enclave would be looking for a new stronghold and the Pentagon'd fit that perfectly. They were pretty much forced to nuke Liberty Prime as he was destroying them - without Prime they could gain the upper hand again using their technological superiority. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagaziel Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 And part of that technological superiority was the nuclear missile satellite. The Enclave possessed technology far superior to anything the Pentagon could've held, so even as a ruined military installation it was expendable. The Enclave could've simply nuked the Pentagon and take over Rivet City - I doubt 10mm peashooters would so much as dent Advanced Power Armor, much less defeat it. Then there's Fort Constantine, filled to the brim with nuclear weapons. And a nuclear ICBM, if the player didn't launch it. My main problem is that it doesn't make any sense on any level - you possess the ability to wipe out your enemy and... what? You're not going to use it on the off chance that his base might be of use to you, even if there are alternatives in the wastes? HMIC for: [ The Wasteland Wiki ] [ Pillars of Eternity Wiki ] [ Tyranny Wiki ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Yep, it just doesn't make any sense. Which is, likely, because the satellites weren't actually meant to be active when they designed the main plot, and it was shoehorned to provide a 'woah' moment for the DLC. Which... to be fair, I'm perfectly fine with, gameplay over canon and all that. I just don't know if it gave the player anything worthwhile, or if it was just another "look I can do THIS" moment of indulgence. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinkieGorilla Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Which... to be fair, I'm perfectly fine with, gameplay over canon and all that. I just don't know if it gave the player anything worthwhile, or if it was just another "look I can do THIS" moment of indulgence. unfortunatley this describes 75% of all of FO3. DLC and vanilla game. hopw roewur ne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 If Bethesda insists on using every element of '50s pulp out there, I hope that finally dinosaurs will be included in Point Lookout. They already missed putting dinosaurs in FO3, namely in Oasis which was quite unforgivable. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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