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My awful computer needs an update. Bad.


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Oh, how I adore PC gaming.

I guess I'll go a little higher then.

It seems I found something from another completely different site. General specs from the other ones, except for an Nvidia 9600GT..

I bet 50$ the next post will be about why this rig isn't any good.

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That's a decent setup. Only real problems I see with it is that the PSU doesn't fare well with upgrades. Also, as usual, the weak point is the GPU. But this time you're in the mid-range and it will support all the games you've mentioned in this thread. Just don't expect to get blazing frames per second with everything on max and ridiculously high resolutions. You will be able to play WoW maxed out though, no problem. Not Crysis, not even close. But then again, even Bok's rig kneels under Crysis on max.

I could recommend that. It would support you well enough for a while, and when you feel the need for something stronger, all you need to do is upgrade the GPU.

This does not matter for you, but I must say whoever built that setup chose a really weird motherboard. Why choose a motherboard with integrated graphics and then ship it with a GPU? I don't get it.

And for the record, I still think you'd be better off building your own rig. No need to compromise on any part. We don't know the brand on the RAM, hard drive or the DVD drives in this case. I'm personally very picky with that stuff.

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I tried building a computer that would match or exceed the rig you posted above on Newegg.com. The result:

$26.99: Samsung 22x DVD burner: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16827151171
$99.99: Antec Sonata III (with 500W Antec PSU): http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811129024
$69.99: Samsung Spinpoint F1 500GB: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822152098
$179.99: Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 512MB: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814102747
$87.00: Corsair 4GB PC6400 (800MHz): http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820145184
$189.99: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115036
$109.99: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16832116488
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$843.93 - $20 (mail in rebate for Corsair RAM) - $20 (mail in rebate for Sapphire GPU)
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$803.93

That's $4 more than the rig you posted earlier, and I bet this setup beats the prebuilt one in almost every aspect (not sure about the hard drive since they never mentioned the brand). Of course, you'd have to build it yourself.

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This does not matter for you, but I must say whoever built that setup chose a really weird motherboard. Why choose a motherboard with integrated graphics and then ship it with a GPU? I don't get it.

Not soo strange a mobo imo, just quite old. It may compromise upgrades, if the max. supported processor is a Phenom 9600 (but I'm not sure of that, it's just the newest proc. I could find on it, can't find the official support list). The processor is ok (speed probably about a C2D e7200 or e8200).
580 W is easily enough power from the PSU, if indeed it does deliver it and isn't a no name product.
And man was I happy when my mobo had an integrated graphics when my graphics card decided to strike (even if in the end it turnded out that it wasn't the graphics card that was causing it, but the pci-e slot which died because of a north bridge failure...). The next mobo I'll buy will probably again have an integrated graphics card, especially if they get that HybridPower / PowerXPress working for desktops and all graphics cards.

Oh, and Will the almighty: I'd ask them if they could insert the new version of the 6000+ processor, uses less power and could be a bit faster :ermm: (The part number would be ADA6000DOBOX) Don't know whether you can change the setup and wheter the mobo is fine with this new processor. If the mobo can't take it even if you can change the setup (without additional cost, that is), ask for the 6000+ (89W version) instead, that's a version just as old as the normal 6000+ but draws a little less power again o:)

And for the record, I still think you'd be better off building your own rig. No need to compromise on any part. We don't know the brand on the RAM, hard drive or the DVD drives in this case. I'm personally very picky with that stuff.

I follow that notion. However, some people prefer a rig they can just plug in and it works without having to do plugging and wiring instead just directly pressing the power button. I understand that too.

Edited by samm, 21 August 2008 - 02:49 PM.


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I tried building a computer that would match or exceed the rig you posted above on Newegg.com. The result:

$26.99: Samsung 22x DVD burner: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16827151171
$99.99: Antec Sonata III (with 500W Antec PSU): http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811129024
$69.99: Samsung Spinpoint F1 500GB: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822152098
$179.99: Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 512MB: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814102747
$87.00: Corsair 4GB PC6400 (800MHz): http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820145184
$189.99: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115036
$109.99: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16832116488
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$843.93 - $20 (mail in rebate for Corsair RAM) - $20 (mail in rebate for Sapphire GPU)
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$803.93

That's $4 more than the rig you posted earlier, and I bet this setup beats the prebuilt one in almost every aspect (not sure about the hard drive since they never mentioned the brand). Of course, you'd have to build it yourself.


I think I'm up to the challenge of building it, as long as there are actually guides somewhere. Experience isn't really on my side here, and I have this worry of screwing things up or not being able to comprehend the wiring (which actually doesn't seem all that complicated). The rig also seems pretty damn good.

Also, I love this forum. So very helpful.

Edited by WILL THE ALMIGHTY, 21 August 2008 - 06:12 PM.


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I think I'm up to the challenge of building it, as long as there are actually guides somewhere.

Hey, that is (among other things) what forums are for :)

Glad to see you decided for the do-it-yourself option. Careful though, it can be addictive.

Unless you use excessive physcial force to bash it together, there is very little you can do wrong when assembling it. Everybody has their own preferred order in which to do things. I've bought my pc's bit by bit over time and assembled they as I received the components. Looking some like 1. attach PSU to Case (if purchased seperately), 2. Hook up the motherboard to Case, 3. put in RAM and CPU (plus CPU fan), 4. Plug in other cards (sound, gfx, whatever) 5. attach drives to Case and connect to motherboard 6. Hook up other stuff (keyboard, monitor, mouse etc.) 7. Cross fingers, pray if it helps, switch on main power :thumbsup:

Other people do things in a different order.

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I think I'm up to the challenge of building it, as long as there are actually guides somewhere.

Unless you use excessive physcial force to bash it together, there is very little you can do wrong when assembling it.


You mean the universal method of "smacking it to fix it" doesn't work here? Darnit. :thumbsup:

This also means it'll be much easier to modify in the future though, which is an enormous plus for me. What the heck, this is the best option I've had so far, and I don't to compromise on anything, while also keeping a nice price. Add maybe 200$ for the screen, keyboard and mouse though, and this is sounding cheap but really effective.

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I think I'm up to the challenge of building it, as long as there are actually guides somewhere.

You would get a thick book of a manual along with your ASUS motherboard. In it there are explanations on how to assemble everything. Just remember to not shock any part with static electricity, follow the manual and ask for advice if something is unclear and it really is no problem.

In the example build I posted above, you would not need to worry about assembling the PSU first, since it comes pre-assembled with the Antec case.

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Oh, and I now noticed that I never actually included the link to the motherboard I had looked up! If you calculate the price from the original example post, you'll see that it adds up to $764. So just add a board for around $80. I had chosen an ASUS one. MSI are good too. And ABIT (mostly for overclock enthusiasts). Oh, and if you find yourself with any spare money, THIS is where you should spend them. I usually splash a lot on the motherboard since it's such a vital part of the computer.

$79.99: ASUS P5K SE EPU (energy saving functions): http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131278

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That explains why the cost seemed smaller when I calculated it.

Thanks again.

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That example build that mkreku put up is really nice, I just don't see what's the point of shelling out the money required for Vista at this point. I'm guessing you have a working copy of XP somewhere so use that instead. It saves you 100$ right now, and you can always get Vista later if, at some point, there's a good enough reason for you to want it.

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I'm afraid XP came with the pre-built PC, so I don't have installation discs... I think.

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oh, bummer. How much does XP cost, these days?

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130$CA at futureshop.

I think I'll just stick to Vista. I won't have to make the switch later when it becomes the major OS.

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The chance of Vista becoming the major OS to such a degree that XP will be obsolete is almost insignificant. I currently have it installed on my home computer and apart from DX10 there is not a single feature I have use for compared to XP.

MS know they dropped the ball on this one, so Windows 7 will be released before XP becomes obsolete, that I'm sure of.

But if you need to buy an OS, it matters little which you get.

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The reason I included Vista in the calculation was that it's always included in pre-built computers and I wanted to match the one Will posted earlier as close as possible. Also, the Vista I linked is the 64 bit version, which is needed to take advantage of the 4GB of RAM I also linked.

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The reason I included Vista in the calculation was that it's always included in pre-built computers and I wanted to match the one Will posted earlier as close as possible. Also, the Vista I linked is the 64 bit version, which is needed to take advantage of the 4GB of RAM I also linked.


AFAIK 32bit XP can utilize something like 3.75 gb of ram. I don't think the missing 0.25 is worth Vista.

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32bit is enough to address a whole 4GB. Some of 4GB RAM isn't available to user processes, because the same addresses are used for memory mapped IO and probably other stuff I currently don't think of. If the usable rest is 3.75GB or 3.25, 3.5, 3.1415926 depends on things like amount of memory on the graphics card etc.
IIrc, since a certain update, Vista always says there are 4GB, even if it's the 32bit version. Lacking a copy of it, I'm not sure however :lol:

Edited by samm, 28 August 2008 - 11:13 AM.


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XP pro 64 bit also recognizes 4 gigs. Still, it's not a major factor unless you opt for 8 gigs. DX10 is nice I guess, but unless someone throws a copy of vista my way I'm not going to bother.

Edited by Gorgon, 28 August 2008 - 02:13 PM.


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Okay you lost me.

Isn't 4Gigs more than enough for... pretty much anything?




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