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My awful computer needs an update. Bad.


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Unfortunately the 9300 GE sucks. It's one step up from Intel's integrated graphics but ten steps behind even the 9600. I'd recommend the 9800 GTX or the Radeon 4870 if you want serious gaming performance.

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The 9300 GE is a very, very slow graphics card at the lowest end of nVidia's offerings. Definitely not recommended for anything but Office work. The 9500GS of the other configuration isn't fast at all either, but you should be able to play older games with medium settings. The Ram of the card doesn't make a difference in this case, because you won't be able to play at settings where it would make any sense. Go for a Geforce 9600 or an ATI HD3850 or better if you want to play newer games.
The configuration of the second seems rather stupid, because instead of the Core2Quad they could have used a Core2Duo and a better graphics card.

Edited by samm, 19 August 2008 - 11:30 AM.


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The 9300 GE is a very, very slow graphics card at the lowest end of nVidia's offerings. Definitely not recommended for anything but Office work.


Well that kinda screws up my plans.

The 9500GS of the other configuration isn't fast at all either, but you should be able to play older games with medium settings. The Ram of the card doesn't make a difference in this case, because you won't be able to play at settings where it would make any sense. Go for a Geforce 9600 or an ATI HD3850 or better if you want to play newer games.
The configuration of the second seems rather stupid, because instead of the Core2Quad they could have used a Core2Duo and a better graphics card.


I think I might have mixed it with another one. I'm pretty sure it was a 9600SE and not 9500GS. ATI HD3850? I'll keep that in mind. i've seen some not so costy rigs with something that resembled that.

Well, ****. Graphics cards always wind up screwing my plans. ;)


EDIT: Back to shopping... this is going to cost more then I hoped. I don't suppose an "Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3100" is any good? >.<

I've searched a bit and supposedly the 4 digit number (9600 GS for example) represents generation (1st) and speed (2n 3rd and 4th number) and that a card with higher last numbers is more effective than a card with highger first number. Not sure how much I trust that. Apparently a 8800 GT is ideal, as in, everyone suggests it or has it, but none of the pre-built rigs have that.

Edited by WILL THE ALMIGHTY, 19 August 2008 - 12:54 PM.


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Well, I'm currently looking at something like this:
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.00GHz 6MB Cache 1333MHz FSB
750 Watt Multi-GPU Power Supply
Dual 512MB NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT
2GB DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 2 x 1024MB or 4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 4 x 1024MB
NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI Motherboard
Windows Vista Home Premium with Service Pack 1

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Sounds good, I guess. Unfortunatly, I have to look at costs a lot because of my reasonable, if not slightly low, budget. 1000$ or more without any screen is not for me.


I'm starting to think I should just get a low-end rig, and upgrade it where it lacks. Some pre-built have enough RAM and the rest is all good, but the graphic card winds up awful. I'll probably give up on the idea, though. it might end up being even less cost-effective.

Should I even be buying pre-built? How hard is it to build your own computer?

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Well, it's not that hard if you're up for the task - but the downside is that it takes time and you do not have a single warranty to fall back on.

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Should I even be buying pre-built? How hard is it to build your own computer?

It is very easy. Everything is colour coded and even the processor comes with its own little instruction manual on how to assemble it correctly. The only thing that's vital knowledge is that you can not, under any circumstance, discharge static electricity during the assembly. So throw out all the cats you own, don't wear woollen socks and touch something large and metal before you start. I usually touch the radiator in my room before juggling the parts.

After that it's just a matter of careful thought and a firm hand. The order of the assembly varies from people to people, but I usually start by fastening the motherboard to the computer case (unless I am using a third party CPU fan, in which case I install that first). Then I plop in the CPU and the memory sticks, since they usually need the most uncluttered hand space to install. After that you just install the GPU and hard drives and any additional hardware you want (DVD burner?). Last you connect all the cables. Done. It's a rush turning on your newly built machine and seeing it boot up for the first time. Every time.

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he order of the assembly varies from people to people, but I usually start by fastening the motherboard to the computer case

I started like this too, but only once. I was unable to put the damn PSU into the case after I had installed everything else... Never gonna happen again o:)

And yes, it does take time and probably some frustration until it's all put together nicely, but in the end, there's this feeling of accomplishment. Also, as it's the first time assembling a system, you'd have to make extra sure you buy compatible components of good quality. You also don't necessarily end up spending less money than on a pre-assembled system anymore. Maybe it's worth considering buying a system from a different place instead.

Edited by samm, 19 August 2008 - 06:01 PM.


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You also don't necessarily end up spending less money than on a pre-assembled system anymore.


Yeah, I've come to the same conclusion while looking at my options - I think I might avoid the hassle and buy a pre-built PC. o:)

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Building a PC is fun. I wish I could do it more often. Just follow the instructions and you should be fine. Like putting together a giant 3D puzzle.

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he order of the assembly varies from people to people, but I usually start by fastening the motherboard to the computer case

I started like this too, but only once. I was unable to put the damn PSU into the case after I had installed everything else... Never gonna happen again -_-

Lesson learned: don't buy crappy cases.

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Sounds fun.

But I think that'll be my last option. Pre-built might be annoying but I don't think I can see it through. That and the lack of warranties. I like warranties.

I'm almost giving up. My budget is not large enough, the use I'll have for it is still questonable and heck, my 360 has 99% of all the games I want released on it. There's a good chance I'll buy one anyway, maybe take a media PC (usually good RAM, processor, etc. but a very crappy video card) and just upgrade it with a 8800 Gt or something. It'll probably end up costing less or it'll simply be less of a hassle.

If onylu I could find a pre-built PC with the kind of setting Bokishi mentioned.

I didn't put this combo together myself, but it's actually something Crytek recommended back in January to run Crysis on high

CPU - Intel Core2Duo E6750
GPU - GeForce 8800GT 512MB
Motherboard - NVIDIA nForce 650i Socket 775
PSU - 600W ATX12V
RAM - 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit
HDD - SATA 250GB 7200RPM
DVD - 20x DVDħR Burner
Case - ATX Midi Tower Computer Case
OS - Microsoft Windows XP Home with SP2

Total should be around $700 now


Guess I'll wait 'till I can afford more, or the price drops. -_-


Thanks, again everyone.

Edited by WILL THE ALMIGHTY, 20 August 2008 - 07:31 AM.


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There are warranties on the components, with some 'unless you's, granted.

Edited by Gorgon, 20 August 2008 - 11:53 AM.


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Yes. I think he misunderstood someone's statement concerning "single warranty", because each component has its own warranty instead of just one for the whole system if you buy individual components.

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Looked at some new videos for PC games.


Okay, so I absolutly need a new computer. I really want to play Call of Duty 4 online, I want to play WoW without awful graphics and lag, I've missed out on some of the greatest RPGs ever and I absolutly HAVE to see real 3d shadows on the PC ASAP. I'll start shopping again. :/


For warranties: That's better. I really thought they weren't any warranties.

Edited by WILL THE ALMIGHTY, 20 August 2008 - 03:22 PM.


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Prebuilt systems often cut corners somewhere to save on purchase costs, on the other hand those that build them usually know more about the components than your average enthusiast.

Just remember that whatever blurb they put next to it, 'media pc', 'gamer rig', etc, it means nothing, look at the specs and then research them a little, ask around.

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Yeah, I usually google search the video cards they have to see how good they are.

And I think I found a good one...

Yet another Futureshop computer

This one has a quad processor, 3GB of RAM, 256 MB Video memory, 2.4GHz and an ATI RAdeon HD3450 (256MB Add On Adapter)... and from what I saw that's a good graphics card, which means I'd buy it.

The price for the rig would be 630$CA without the screen.

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256 MB Video memory, 2.4GHz and an ATI RAdeon HD3450 (256MB Add On Adapter)... and from what I saw that's a good graphics card, which means I'd buy it.

Depends on how you define "good"... It's even slower than the 9500GS you cited on the last page. It's a 20$ graphics card, so what do you expect? :excl:

Edited by samm, 21 August 2008 - 10:15 AM.


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Ah. Well that's too bad. ...why is this always so complicated. 20$ graphic card? It sounded more expensive...

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Back to looking around. Again.

EDIT: The amount of pre-built computers with good graphics cards is incredibly small. I mean, I don't want the top of the range hardware but is it really so hard to find a pre-built computer that can actually get good framerates with modern games?

Edited by WILL THE ALMIGHTY, 21 August 2008 - 11:04 AM.


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EDIT: The amount of pre-built computers with good graphics cards is incredibly small. I mean, I don't want the top of the range hardware but is it really so hard to find a pre-built computer that can actually get good framerates with modern games?

Apparently. They all put in a fast (or at least as multicore as possible) processor, and ridiculous things like a 20-in-1-cardreader, a no name mobo (possibly with no upgrading possibility and without BIOS updates), a no name PSU, no name RAM, and a dirt cheap graphics card just for the sake of having one in. Just the impression I get when reading what systems you come up with :excl:
Other alternatives for pre-built systems seem to be gaming systems, and then they cost you thousands... or office systems, and then you can't play at all.

Edited by samm, 21 August 2008 - 11:30 AM.





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