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Are we talking about the Indians vs Vikings action movie or am I missing something here?

 

:rolleyes: What kind of movie is that??? I really have to watch this one!!! What's its title?

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I'd absolutely love to see one. Please, don't touch 4e with a 50' pole. Pathfinder looks far more fun, and playable.

 

I don't want to turn this thread into a debate on 4e, but interestingly enough, at least one of the developers (I believe it was Mr. Sawyer) has stated several times that despite some of the video-game-inspired mechanics in 4e, it is not easy/suitable to translate well to the CRPG environment due to certain rules inherent to the system, such as marking.

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I rather see an Arcana Evolved CRPG. o:)

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They should make their own rules system, sort of like what Bioware is doing with Dragon Age, and shed themselves from the responsibility, the millstone, of people's pnp expectations. I know that their previous attempt years ago, Torn + special, fizzled, but they should give it another go. Don't know what they are doing with Aliens and rules, but that seems like more of a scary shooter than an in depth rpg... maybe if the material had an actual bestiary and settings outside of derelict space craft & terraforming planetary colonies. Another system shock 2 is the best we can hope for there.

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It's unlikely that any developer could legally make a Pathfinder game since Pathfinder itself is a d20 product. The d20/OGL license specifically restricts electronic d20 rights. It's likely that any licensing would have to go through WotC, not Paizo.

 

Pathfinder RPG is not a d20 product. It is an OGL product, which essentially means that Paizo can do with it almost whatever it wants. Paizo can certainly license it for electronic products. Paizo people are well aware of that fact and have even expressed an interest in doing so: http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizo...icProductsCRPGs

 

As a matter of fact, the d20 license for all publishers has been revoked by WotC with the advent of the 4th edition, though there is a grace period to sell of existing inventories of d20 products until the end of this year. By contrast, the OGL is irrevocable and cannot be pulled by WotC, plus it gives almost total freedom to publishers who use it.

 

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They should make their own rules system, sort of like what Bioware is doing with Dragon Age...

 

Paizo is doing exactly that with its Pathfinder RPG. It is creating its own system that will have a degree of compatibility with the D&D 3.5E system, but will be somewhat different. The process is currently in the Alpha stage and the Alpha release 3 can be downloaded for free from here: http://paizo.com/store/byCompany/p/paizoPu...r/pathfinderRPG

 

In about 2 weeks (at GenCon), the Beta Release of the Pathfinder RPG will be become available.

 

The Pathfinder RPG system uses the OGL and not the d20 license (which has now been revoked anyway) and is thus not subject to the vagaries of WotC.

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Still basically just 3.5. Bioware cited the frustration of adapting pnp rules to 'puter as part of the reason for it's own system for Dragon Age. Imagine they got tired of releasing a couple dozen odd patches just to get all the spells right... I'm looking forward to seeing what they've come up with. Suppose it could be greatly simplified compared to what we've seen in NWN/NWN2, which would be disappointing, but we shall see.

 

Obsidian should do the same. Forget about the pnp world and come with something novel.

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Still basically just 3.5. Bioware cited the frustration of adapting pnp rules to 'puter as part of the reason for it's own system for Dragon Age. Imagine they got tired of releasing a couple dozen odd patches just to get all the spells right... I'm looking forward to seeing what they've come up with. Suppose it could be greatly simplified compared to what we've seen in NWN/NWN2, which would be disappointing, but we shall see.

 

Obsidian should do the same. Forget about the pnp world and come with something novel.

 

Obsidian is doing the same - look at Alpha Protocol and Aliens, which are not going to be beholden to any PnP rule set. And that is perfectly fine.

 

Still, I often like it when I can play PnP RPGs and CRPGs with the same ruleset. Positive externalities of learning one ruleset and all that! >_<

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Obsidian is doing the same - look at Alpha Protocol and Aliens, which are not going to be beholden to any PnP rule set. And that is perfectly fine.

 

May have to do that, though again, I'm not very enthusiastic about the Aliens universe for a space rpg setting. I think back to the "star frontiers" days of my youth and how cool that was at the time. Flash Gordon, John Carter... there are several properties I'd have preferred, though everyone automatically thinks star wars, star treck, or aliens when it comes to space. Not sure how much rpg juice can be squeezed out the old, dead alien's husk...

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Obsidian is doing the same - look at Alpha Protocol and Aliens, which are not going to be beholden to any PnP rule set. And that is perfectly fine.

 

May have to do that, though again, I'm not very enthusiastic about the Aliens universe for a space rpg setting. I think back to the "star frontiers" days of my youth and how cool that was at the time. Flash Gordon, John Carter... there are several properties I'd have preferred, though everyone automatically thinks star wars, star treck, or aliens when it comes to space. Not sure how much rpg juice can be squeezed out the old, dead alien's husk...

 

 

Well, I would prefer another KOTOR title to Aliens, but Aliens can be pretty good too.

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the thing with the armors, yeah can see where Mr. Sawyer is coming from there..

 

but then i prefer light to medium armors.

 

and I tend to pour enough to dex or cheat at it, to make max use of armor planed for the character.

 

 

Well, I think wearing armor should have advantages - there has been too much emphasis on High Dex. - High AC builds compared with Heavy Armor - High AC builds.

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It has been over two years since I first started this thread with the suggestion of a Pathfinder CRPG and although it seems that the idea has not made progress thus far, but I am wondering if the situation has changed since? After all, the Pathfinder RPG ruleset has now been finalized for some time and the game is enjoying great success. In fact, according to ICv2, Pathfinder is now the best-selling RPG on the market, beating even D&D* (link:http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/20743.html). Pathfinder RPG's Creative Director, James Jacobs, has even stated he would like to see such a game in the future: http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizo...ource=search#21

 

*I am unsure what methodology they use - I would suspect D&D would still come out on top if the digital offerings subscriptions were included, but it still attests to the fact that the Pathfinder RPG is rather successful and might make for a good CRPG license.

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Yeah, but Pathfinder is basically tweaked 3.5e anyways.

 

Sure, which is part of its appeal for me. It has 3.5e roots, yet has a fresh coating and fresh shoots in different directions (e.g. classes such as Witches, Oracles, etc.).

 

As an aside, the Gencon convention is taking place at the moment and Saturday will feature the future of Paizo seminar: http://gencon.highprogrammer.com/gencon-in...vent/SEM1120719 It would sure be a nice surprise if they announced a Pathfinder CRPG during that event.

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