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I actually like engine noise of all kinds. I find it soothing.

Hey, you should have joined the armoured brigades rather than the footsloggers :thumbsup:

Looking at RAM... I've purchased noname stuff in the past. Any particular brands to look out for (or watch out for if it's bad)?

Looking at prices, I see that 8gb Corsair DDR3 1333 is about 800$ and 8gb of G.Skill DDR3 1600 is about 900$, so I assume this is the approx. price range I am looking at. Should I look elsewhere completely?


Which bastard said I was an infanteer? :sorcerer: Engine noises and explosions lull me like crickets. Love automatic gunfire. Very useful accident, or perhaps in the genes.

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I actually like engine noise of all kinds. I find it soothing.

Hey, you should have joined the armoured brigades rather than the footsloggers :thumbsup:

Looking at RAM... I've purchased noname stuff in the past. Any particular brands to look out for (or watch out for if it's bad)?

Looking at prices, I see that 8gb Corsair DDR3 1333 is about 800$ and 8gb of G.Skill DDR3 1600 is about 900$, so I assume this is the approx. price range I am looking at. Should I look elsewhere completely?


Which bastard said I was an infanteer? :sorcerer: Engine noises and explosions lull me like crickets. Love automatic gunfire. Very useful accident, or perhaps in the genes.

Now that you mention it, I am not sure. I thought you referred to it as "The Army" once, which is sort of the military branch of "The Ministry of Silly Walks". It just got stuck in my mind somehow ;)

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Looking at prices, I see that 8gb Corsair DDR3 1333 is about 800$ and 8gb of G.Skill DDR3 1600 is about 900$, so I assume this is the approx. price range I am looking at. Should I look elsewhere completely?

The brand is good, but you'll not be needing DDR3 1333 or higher, as Intel processors don't benefit from anything faster than DDR2 800 which would cut your price down to a quarter or something like this. This may change with the upcoming Nehalem, so if you want to re-use your RAM, you can invest that money in the DDR3 1600, otherwise I'd say it's better spent elswhere.

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Looking at prices, I see that 8gb Corsair DDR3 1333 is about 800$ and 8gb of G.Skill DDR3 1600 is about 900$, so I assume this is the approx. price range I am looking at. Should I look elsewhere completely?

The brand is good, but you'll not be needing DDR3 1333 or higher, as Intel processors don't benefit from anything faster than DDR2 800 which would cut your price down to a quarter or something like this. This may change with the upcoming Nehalem, so if you want to re-use your RAM, you can invest that money in the DDR3 1600, otherwise I'd say it's better spent elswhere.

Are they "downwards" compatible, i.e. can I put DDR2 ram in a motherboard that lists DDR3 in it's specs?

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Looking at prices, I see that 8gb Corsair DDR3 1333 is about 800$ and 8gb of G.Skill DDR3 1600 is about 900$, so I assume this is the approx. price range I am looking at. Should I look elsewhere completely?

The brand is good, but you'll not be needing DDR3 1333 or higher, as Intel processors don't benefit from anything faster than DDR2 800 which would cut your price down to a quarter or something like this. This may change with the upcoming Nehalem, so if you want to re-use your RAM, you can invest that money in the DDR3 1600, otherwise I'd say it's better spent elswhere.

Are they "downwards" compatible, i.e. can I put DDR2 ram in a motherboard that lists DDR3 in it's specs?


No. DDR2 is not compatible with DDR3 motherboards.

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Oops :shifty:

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2GB DDR3 can be had on the cheap currently. WHy the hell do you need 8GB??

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2GB DDR3 can be had on the cheap currently. WHy the hell do you need 8GB??


(as I would like at least 8gb of ram for some gfx applications)



You need tons and more tons of RAM to do high-res renderings, simulations and some other neat stuff.

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You need tons and more tons of RAM to do high-res renderings, simulations and some other neat stuff.

Nah, it's only for hobby purposes. My current PC has 2gb and is groaning under the pressure (wearing my poor old hd's down with the constant fiddling with the pagefile). So I figured that Vista would use 2gb for itself, 2gb more (4gb total) would be no improvement, so lets go for what it is possible to squeeze in there (on a non server/workstation motherboard).

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Both Nvidia and ATI have passively cooled GPU's. Both get very hot but Nvidia's version (of their fastest passively cooled card) breaks the 100 degrees Celsius barrier and that is just insane. I'd aim for a Sapphire HD3870 Ultimate:

http://www.sapphiret...ew.php?gpid=217

This one must have leprosy. Noone, and I mean *noone* carries this particular model. The other similar models with fan cooling are all there allright, but not this one (and Sapphire doesn't do direct sales).

Time for plan B :brows:

Any good cards suitable for watercooling out there?

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I've also heard that Samsung's ordinary HD's are the most silent of the HD's out there. The Samsung Spinpoint F1 is probably the best 1TB drive out there right now. It's crushes the competition in gaming performance while being a bit more silent than Hitachi's offerings (I use Hitachi..), but much louder than Western Digital's Caviar GP. So a slow WD GP or a fast Samsung F1..

Bought a Samsung Spinpoint 1TB :brows:

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My casing and my powersupply showed up yesterday (Friday) :)

Unfortunately, no motherboard yet, so no testing if any of it is DOA.

The case looks nice, both on the inside and the outside. It really looks like a lot of thought went into making it as silent as possible, yet still have some air flow. Not cutting my hands to shreds inside the casing while my XL hands were rummaging around, loosening screws and trying how the powersupply fit was a nice change of pace too. "Detachable" HDD bays was a nice move too. Mind you, I've only had 3 PC's in my life, all with noname, cheap casings.

Looking for ram, I going to order 8 Gb of corsair ram. I just wonder if there is much of a difference between the 1333 and the 1600 version (looks like the same latency). Is one better than the other for overclocking? I've never tried overclocking before :blush:

As for CPU, I've decided to bite the bullet and go for liquid cooling, so I might as well get something decent, rather than downclock and oversized cpu. I am currently looking at a QX9650, QX9775 and the much cheaper Q9550, wondering why the latter cost half the asking price of the first (and only a fraction of the middle one)?!? Again, any of these better suited for overclocking?

Any blu-ray drives out there that are particularly good or bad (I don't think noise levels are an issue, as they are only running intermittently)?

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The only difference I know between the different CPU's you mentioned is that the ones with an X in their name are completely unlocked and are factory clocked higher than the cheap part. The cheapest CPU is hardware locked in some way to not be as overclocking friendly as the others. If I remember correctly.

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Good to hear the case seems good! Chances growing I'll get one of these too.

The X CPUs are from the "Extreme"-Line, standing for "Extremely high prices" ;) I never bothered looking up anything about them, so I can't help there.

Looking for ram, I going to order 8 Gb of corsair ram. I just wonder if there is much of a difference between the 1333 and the 1600 version (looks like the same latency). Is one better than the other for overclocking? I've never tried overclocking before :)

Once again the same warning: Overclocking (if it works ;)) results in higher power usage, results in bigger heat, results in more noise created when cooling the parts. Anyway, if the 1600 version has the same latencies as the 1333, it should far better usable for overclocking, meaning that you can push its frequency up to 1600 without losing data access speed.

Edited by samm, 21 June 2008 - 05:19 AM.


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Tiny (frustrating) stumbling block... who has ever heard about monthly transaction limits on internet banking before?!? :)

I've received and assembled the stuff I got so far. Apart from the power supply and casing being a *very* tight fit, it looks nice. Motherboard fit in easily, Harddrive resting on little rubber thingies, cabling organised on the backside of the "backplate" on which the board is fastened. All neat and tidy and no loose cables all over the place. Had to make up my mind which of the modular cables to attach to the power supply too.

Waiting for another 4 days in shopping carts around the internet is an Intel QX9650, 2 sets of Corsair TW3X4G1333C9DHX, a Sony BWU200S optical drive and a Thermaltake Orchestra CIW0097.

Since I can't squeeze that in, in a single months transactions without upgrading my account to a small business account (since there has to be room for other expenses), I'll need to split even that in two shopping sessions. Looking at the bright side, it gives me the chance to wait for the second batch of the new 4870 ATI cards (I am always reluctant to buy first production runs).

oh, and maybe I should look for a new bank too...

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I really should be ashamed of myself, decided to buy the cheapest of the cheap, el cheapo gfx card (the less than 50$ kind, but with passive cooling) and borrowed a core 2 duo plus 2gb of ram from a buddy. just so I could get the thing up and running (and so I could see if what I had bought so far actually worked). An old, rickety LG DVD drive that can only read DVD-R is pretending to be the optical drive.

Ordered the QX9650, the Corsair TW3X4G1333C9DHX (two of them), and the Sony BWU200S blu-ray writer. The cooling solution I had in mind is out of stock. Call for details :wacko:

Nevermind, that is a problem for another day. I am not going to bother much with cooling until I get the gfx card(s) that I want. The Sapphire 4870 looks very nice at the moment, if not available quite yet.

Now, do I get a Vista Ultimate 64bit OEM or Full Retail?...

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What's the difference in price and content (OEM vs Retail)?

It's cool reading about the progress of things :wacko:

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What's the difference in price and content (OEM vs Retail)?

It's cool reading about the progress of things :wacko:

Thanks :lol:

I hope to join the "Post your specs" thread some day soon.

The price difference is approx. 250$ vs 450$ (australian, about 0.95 USD per Aussie dollar). Same product, same features. One is tied to your motherboard and can not be used on other computers (once activated), should you decide to relocate your system.

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The price difference is approx. 250$ vs 450$ (australian, about 0.95 USD per Aussie dollar). Same product, same features. One is tied to your motherboard and can not be used on other computers (once activated), should you decide to relocate your system.

I imagine your interest, or lack of, in Windows 7 could be a factor when making this decision?

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Partially. I was never too excited about Vista, but I figured it might be a better choice for a brand new machine. I need a new (64bit) OS anyway, since my old 32bit XP pro would be wasted on it (like, using 3 out of 8 gb of ram) :ermm:

Edit: Moot point, bought the full retail version today




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