Walsingham Posted November 29, 2007 Author Share Posted November 29, 2007 Alright then. It occurs to me it would makee more sense to have GD manage it, since I'm confident he can crack teh whip and knows where to crack it. HOw about I do two things before we kick off. 1) I do some work for Tale, doing some dialogue. That would help me learn teh system, and chalk up some credit. 2) Begin an outline of the story and main plot, then maybe get stuck into teh journal entries. If I can complete those then you'll know I'm serious, as will I. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Alright then. It occurs to me it would makee more sense to have GD manage it, since I'm confident he can crack teh whip and knows where to crack it. HOw about I do two things before we kick off. 1) I do some work for Tale, doing some dialogue. That would help me learn teh system, and chalk up some credit. 2) Begin an outline of the story and main plot, then maybe get stuck into teh journal entries. If I can complete those then you'll know I'm serious, as will I. Before you do anything else, write up a one paragraph synopsis of your main story. Lay out the premise. Explain the hook. Name your players antagonist. Set up your rising action and major player decisions. Cover your climax and it's potential outcomes. State the falling actions and conclusion(s). You should be able to do that in 100-150 words. That will give you about 3-4 hours of game time. If you can't put it all in 100-150 words, revise you story and narrow the scope. Get your main story, the conflict between your player and the antagonst straight first. Then worry about companions, dialoge, and where it all fits in. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 I have different advice. Before you do anything else, create your main characters. Develop them, see how they fit with each other, what conflicts might arise between them. Then, create the possible, intertwining stories that can revolve around those characters. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 NWN2 being as cool as it is I tought it would rock to use it. You wont feel that way after you've had some time with the toolset DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLMarkland Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Or you might find that you prefer the nwn2 toolset to any alternative for combining power with extreme flexibility. Rogue Dao Studios The Planescape Trilogy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 I definitely prefer the NWN2 toolset to say... RPG Maker for the PSOne. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly_Nightshade Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 (edited) I think dialogue will be tricky. But if you're up for it... I could also write dialog - if that would be helpful (It's not like my own NWNII mod is going, or getting, anywhere at the moment, and maybe a few people who can actually script worth a damn could either migrate over after your project gets done or give me a few pointers). Although, if I did end getting on the team, I would only be able to work when I'm not behind on real-life stuff, so if the others started to outpace me I would have to turn my work over to another until I was free to write again... Edited November 30, 2007 by Deadly_Nightshade "Geez. It's like we lost some sort of bet and ended up saddled with a bunch of terrible new posters on this forum." -Hurlshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 I'm always up to help scripting. I can't do anything TOO complex, but I've been able to set up areas, spawn in NPCs on triggers, that kind of thing. Been trying to get a cutscene event where a character dies to work properly, but that's keeps screwing me over. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhomal Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 I've been thinking for a long time about writing a high level mod for NWN. NWN2 being as cool as it is I tought it would rock to use it. My plan is to have the PCs drop into campaign as the grandchildren of bhaalspawn, called to the Planes in the new home of the Lady of Murder. We have a small world with stuff to do, and a modular series of extension campaigns/missions based around serving the needs of the Lady, or her many Deified/mundane enemies. I'd like to have both dark and humour in the missions, and also some serious BG2 NPCs available for missions, especially Minsc (and Boo) Xzar Jan Jansen I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who could tell me hwo many man hours this is likely to require, and anyone who can use the toolset. A few suggestions... 4 words; "prefabs are your friend", using prefabs all places like nwvault will be VERY helpful to you and save a incredible amount of time. Even if you had to tweak/modify some of them it still a huge time saver. the BG ship has sailed, let it go. Rather then rehash a story and NPCs that will NEVER attain the heights that will be expected by the players (no offense to your writing skill, bit its a fact). you are, in effect doomed to fail in the eyes of those BG fans (your core audience) My suggestion would be create a fresh story and fresh NPCs with MAYBE a cameo or two if not forced and can logically work into the overall plot. M2C Admin of World of Darkness Online News News/Community site for the WoD MMORPG http://www.wodonlinenews.net --- Jericho sassed me so I broke into his house and stabbed him to death in his sleep. Problem solved. - J.E. Sawyer --- "I cannot profess to be a theologian; but it seems to me that Christians who believe in a super human Satan have got themselves into a logical impasse with regard to their own religion. For either God can not prevent the mischief of Satan, in which case he is not omnipotent; or else He could do so if he wished, but will not, in which case He is not benevolent. Fortunately, being a pagan witch, I am not called upon to solve this problem." - Doreen Valiente --- Expecting "innovation" from Bioware is like expecting "normality" from Valve -Moatilliatta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted November 30, 2007 Author Share Posted November 30, 2007 Rhomal, I can see your advice is perfectly sound, but I would simply not be me if I gave up on projects just because they were stupid. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Raven Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 I've been thinking for a long time about writing a high level mod for NWN. NWN2 being as cool as it is I tought it would rock to use it. My plan is to have the PCs drop into campaign as the grandchildren of bhaalspawn, called to the Planes in the new home of the Lady of Murder. We have a small world with stuff to do, and a modular series of extension campaigns/missions based around serving the needs of the Lady, or her many Deified/mundane enemies. I'd like to have both dark and humour in the missions, and also some serious BG2 NPCs available for missions, especially Minsc (and Boo) Xzar Jan Jansen I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who could tell me hwo many man hours this is likely to require, and anyone who can use the toolset. A few suggestions... 4 words; "prefabs are your friend", using prefabs all places like nwvault will be VERY helpful to you and save a incredible amount of time. Even if you had to tweak/modify some of them it still a huge time saver. the BG ship has sailed, let it go. Rather then rehash a story and NPCs that will NEVER attain the heights that will be expected by the players (no offense to your writing skill, bit its a fact). you are, in effect doomed to fail in the eyes of those BG fans (your core audience) My suggestion would be create a fresh story and fresh NPCs with MAYBE a cameo or two if not forced and can logically work into the overall plot. M2C Nonsense. The BG ship is very sea worthy and able to sail around the world. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly_Nightshade Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 I agree with madam Raven, Baldur's Gate is hardly dead... "Geez. It's like we lost some sort of bet and ended up saddled with a bunch of terrible new posters on this forum." -Hurlshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted December 1, 2007 Author Share Posted December 1, 2007 Thinking about it some more, the thought of some diehard wearing a tinfoil hat and scratching himself condemning the mod doesn't bother me in the least. Besides, the PCs aren't going to be all BG. It's the spirit of the thing I'm looking for. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atreides Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Will we get to kill Noobler/Neebler this time? Spreading beauty with my katana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musopticon? Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Please forget BG, just add better original content instead. I'm really tired of cameos and just like Rhomal said, you'll never reach the height of the characters. kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveThaiBinh Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Do whatever you want to do, whatever entertains or inspires you. It will show in the quality of the writing, no matter what any alleged die-hards may say. "An electric puddle is not what I need right now." (Nina Kalenkov) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 I did a very brief cameo of a BG2 charater in one of my mods and got really good feedback from it. But Rhomal does have a point. Brigning back BG charaters as actual players is pretty risky. If you do it right it will be a huge success. Err just a little and it will be a huge failure. But if you have a story to tell, you need to tell YOUR story. And if that involves invoking BG chracters, do it. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 (edited) Unless you're trying to create a game to use as a foot into the gaming industry, build for yourself, not the audience. Treat it as art and expression, not a commercial product. You'll enjoy the experience more. Edited December 1, 2007 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted December 1, 2007 Author Share Posted December 1, 2007 Unless you're trying to create a game to use as a foot into the gaming industry, build for yourself, not the audience. Treat it as art and expression, not a commercial product. You'll enjoy the experience more. I think that was what I was subconsciously aiming for. I mean, I'm not interested in getting a foot in the industry so yeah, why not have fun? The only problem at the minute is that I'm stuck without a graphics card and I can barely manage DVD! It sucks, but it's likely there will be no actual design for a bit. But then, I was supposed to work in paper first. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Raven Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 Don't get too excited there little buddy. Plan it first, start simple and move on to the more complex things. If you start doing to many things at once or out of order, you'll burn yourself out and give up. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 That is exactly how most mods fail. Including a few of mine. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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