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I thought that all this stuff about his attending school in Indonesia and being called Hussein was discussed to death when he first seemed a likely candidate for president - I certainly remember all this being out in the open long ago.

 

The word 'madrassa' covers a wide range of types of school, from some very nasty pro-extremist indoctrinators to some very progressive and high-quality educational establishments. The use of the word by scaremongers only reveals their ignorance of the subject.

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Old news and who cares he attended an Islamic school. I certainly don't. Fox news brought this sort of thing up months ago and it hasn't changed my view on the bugger. Just to note, I rather have Obama as president before Billary or Edwards.

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[sigh] Yes Yushaa, we all know about it. Like others have said, this was leaked by the Clinton mafia to (hopefully) eliminate him as a viable candidate about 6-8 months ago. It got no traction in the public. If anything Obama has been pefroming better in the polls of late and even pulling even with Hillary in some states. Maybe the Americans are not the war mongering racist muslim haters you seem to think we are.

 

If it came down to having to choose between him and Hillary I'd choose him. He is just another Carter. Hilllary is something else entirely. Something much worse.

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A woman? :)

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:) No, WORSE!

 

Actually, there are 4 women in public service now that would make a better president than the current one or the current crop of candidates.

 

Codelezza Rice, Maria Ross Lietenin, Mary Taylor, Dr. Sarah Nunez.

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A womyn!

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Old news. Everyone I know loves the guy. Even the Republicans.

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Gee, I wonder why so many Muslims have an issue with the US?

Because they're being lied to. Though "lied" may be too harsh. Dissemination of faulty or biased information isn't always intentional.

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Gee, I wonder why so many Muslims have an issue with the US?

Because they're being lied to. Though "lied" may be too harsh. Dissemination of faulty or biased information isn't always intentional.

 

What? You don't think the xenophobia that the average American has towards Islam might have a little to do with it? Geez, the guy is accused of attending an Islamic school like he spent a year in a terrorist training camp. We send troops to Iraq and Afghanistan without even training them on the culture of the people they are supposed to be helping. We have politicians who probably don't even know what the Qu'ran is.

 

Islam is the second largest religion in the world, and it's growing faster than Christianity, so maybe the US should stop treating it like something evil.

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Geez, the guy is accused of attending an Islamic school like he spent a year in a terrorist training camp.

He was. AND NOBODY CARED! Nobody cared then, nobody cares now. Proof enough that those who think like you believe the US does are a vast minority.

 

We send troops to Iraq and Afghanistan without even training them on the culture of the people they are supposed to be helping.
I don't think we teach culture to troops. Doubt we did it in World War II, doubt we did it in Korea, or Vietnam. Don't think we'll teach culture in the next war, either.

 

 

Islam is the second largest religion in the world, and it's growing faster than Christianity, so maybe the US should stop treating it like something evil.
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Gee, I wonder why so many Muslims have an issue with the US?

Because they're being lied to. Though "lied" may be too harsh. Dissemination of faulty or biased information isn't always intentional.

 

What? You don't think the xenophobia that the average American has towards Islam might have a little to do with it? Geez, the guy is accused of attending an Islamic school like he spent a year in a terrorist training camp. We send troops to Iraq and Afghanistan without even training them on the culture of the people they are supposed to be helping. We have politicians who probably don't even know what the Qu'ran is.

 

Islam is the second largest religion in the world, and it's growing faster than Christianity, so maybe the US should stop treating it like something evil.

 

You know Hurlshot, there is a Muslim congressman now, and the city of New York has publicly commemorated Ramadan the past 4 years. Most public schools are making it a point to educate kids on Muslim culture (you of all people should know that). I'm not seeing anyone treating Islam like something evil in America today. Quite the opposite actually. The incident this entire thread is based on was initiated as a cynical political tactic to inflame a perceived racial bias in the public by a democrat against another democrat. The racial bias did not exist it seemed and the tactic has backfired a little. It's funny, that is the exact kind of dirty trick the dems would accuse republicans of using. Usually without merit to the accusation.

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I don't think we teach culture to troops. Doubt we did it in World War II, doubt we did it in Korea, or Vietnam. Don't think we'll teach culture in the next war, either.

 

Actually during Desert Shield/Storm we did have "cultural sensitivity" training. It usually was just about what not to do so no one got offended. Dont drink in public, don't swear, dont leave porno mags out where they could be seen. We were in the middle of nowhere with nary a drop of alcohol to be found so there was small chance of getting into trouble there. But I heard the Saudi miltary guys would pay as much as $100 US for a recent issue of Hustler.

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I don't think we teach culture to troops. Doubt we did it in World War II, doubt we did it in Korea, or Vietnam. Don't think we'll teach culture in the next war, either.

 

Actually during Desert Shield/Storm we did have "cultural sensitivity" training. It usually was just about what not to do so no one got offended. Dont drink in public, don't swear, dont leave porno mags out where they could be seen. We were in the middle of nowhere with nary a drop of alcohol to be found so there was small chance of getting into trouble there. But I heard the Saudi miltary guys would pay as much as $100 US for a recent issue of Hustler.

 

That's good to hear, I know a few veterans I've talked to from Vietnam felt that was a huge flaw in their time there. They were often expected to fill a police type role but they had little knowledge of the citizens and their culture.

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That's good to hear, I know a few veterans I've talked to from Vietnam felt that was a huge flaw in their time there. They were often expected to fill a police type role but they had little knowledge of the citizens and their culture.

 

That is wrong in of itself. Soldiers aren't police officers and shouldn't be regulated to that role. They are soldiers.

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That's good to hear, I know a few veterans I've talked to from Vietnam felt that was a huge flaw in their time there. They were often expected to fill a police type role but they had little knowledge of the citizens and their culture.

 

That is wrong in of itself. Soldiers aren't police officers and shouldn't be regulated to that role. They are soldiers.

 

It's relegated, not regulated... and even then I'd say that's the wrong word since that implies they are acting as police officiers, not soldiers, when in fact it would be both. Lucky you're not a novelist eh?

 

To the topic: considering how chaotic vietnam was, are you saying that for lack of trustworthy or simply available law enforcement, the people should have simply done nothing? The soldiers should have ignored them if they needed help?

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I'm a wee bit confused. The candidate actually understands a perspective point of 'muslim culture'. The Army are working flat out to recruit as many Islam-aware people as possible in the war on terror; but for some reason it's bad in the CinC?

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@Krezack:

Anybody with half a brain wouldn't vote for him. Look at that dirty sleazy smile.

 

Think it doesn't matter? Quite a few studies have proven it does - a lot of it is in the face.

You're kidding right? Obama was the one who consistently stood against the US' involvement in Iraq, while Hillary initially 'approved' Bush's decision only to turncoat after polls showed that most of the US citizen were against going to Iraq.

 

I gotta admit though, Hillary has a nice smile.

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@Krezack:
Anybody with half a brain wouldn't vote for him. Look at that dirty sleazy smile.

 

Think it doesn't matter? Quite a few studies have proven it does - a lot of it is in the face.

You're kidding right? Obama was the one who consistently stood against the US' involvement in Iraq, while Hillary initially 'approved' Bush's decision only to turncoat after polls showed that most of the US citizen were against going to Iraq.

 

I gotta admit though, Hillary has a nice smile.

 

She has a crazy smile. But the joker's smile isn't as crazy as judging the politics, perspective, and intelligence of a person by how their face moves. Or are you simply saying you only want professional actors?

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