kirottu Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 I voted 8 too. It was solid and good, but too linear and some forced character situations made too little sense. Fallout 2 and PS:T 9 Fallout 1, BG 2, V:BL 8 Kotor 2 over 7ish NWN and Lionheart under 7 over 6 NWN HotU 7 This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Fallout 2 was pretty much a mess of a game. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And yet many people feel it was fun. And "that" is how you measure a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wistrik Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 The BG series used your current terrain to determine which map to display in a random encounter, so you got mountains if you were in a mountainous region, forest if in or near a forest, city if you were in a city, etc. The encounters themselves are largely script-driven, and I agree they tend to lack true randomness, though this can easily be changed with user-contributed editors such as DLTCEP, Near Infinity, and even WeiDU. Plus if you write mods you'll collect a bunch of drooling fans who don't realize that modding is rather easy. (I've been doing it since 1983.) The folks who write tools get slightly more respect from me, though their inexperience shows somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 The "reviewer's tilt" is the most important rating as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 FO2 was awesome. Don't diss this excellent game! DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roshan Posted December 12, 2006 Author Share Posted December 12, 2006 I just wanted to point out that Fallout 2 is by no means a perfect game, and it certainly isnt the holy grail of roleplaying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Different Strokes for different folks. I'd probably rate the Fallouts just behind Ultima VII for favourite role playing games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 I just wanted to point out that Fallout 2 is by no means a perfect game, and it certainly isnt the holy grail of roleplaying. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> "Fun" game? Yes, yes it is. Fallout 2 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 "it certainly isnt the holy grail of roleplaying." Sure it is. Unlike PST. R00fles! DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roshan Posted December 12, 2006 Author Share Posted December 12, 2006 "it certainly isnt the holy grail of roleplaying." Sure it is. Unlike PST. R00fles! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> R00fles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diogo Ribeiro Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 And yet many people feel it was fun. And "that" is how you measure a game. So we can safely disregard your stance on a game you don't like if we just tell you that many people found it to be fun? Regardless if we have any knowledge of just how many people is "many people"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taks Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 i'm going to go in with an 8 or so... some things are really great and others not so great. either way, i've had a lot of fun with this game. my primary gripe, btw, is the party AI. it is rather frustrating in a battle to select a character and suddenly everyone is rushing to his side. why o why a 15th level druid would morph into a badger mid-fight is another puzzle. i'd rather not be forced into puppet mode, though i think the next run through (with a weapon master wanna be) will be done this way. i'd put the BGs at 9+. i have, between the two, probably 2000+ hours invested in them, btw. i never could get past the first few scenes in either fallout or planescape to rate them. toee was mostly a disappointment, another unfinished game for me, with a score of maybe 4 or 5, with the overall engine and slick graphics (for a crpg) being the primary reasons i rate it that high. arcanum was drivel as well, unfinished too. nwn OC was... yawn... unfinished #5. sotu was dreck, unfinished #6. hotu was pretty good and i've replayed it a few times earning a 7+. i've had fun with several nwn mods, too. though not really crpgs in the same sense as the above, the tales of the unknown series (aka bard's tales) was and is my all-time favorite. not really that the games were great, but because they a) were my introduction to computer games and b) an opportunity for my brothers and i to sit up nights playing till our eyes bled. i'll never forget those days. taks comrade taks... just because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 So we can safely disregard your stance on a game you don't like if we just tell you that many people found it to be fun? Regardless if we have any knowledge of just how many people is "many people"? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diogo Ribeiro Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> R00fles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Raven Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 FO2 was awesome. Don't diss this excellent game! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> "it certainly isnt the holy grail of roleplaying." Sure it is. Unlike PST. R00fles! WoWsers! Me and Volo agree on something, twice! Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 What do you want, a cookie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Raven Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Yeah I'll give you something. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roshan Posted December 13, 2006 Author Share Posted December 13, 2006 What do you want, a cookie? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Maybe he wants Volourn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 "WoWsers! Me and Volo agree on something, twice!" Except I actually like PST; i just don't want to have its babies like Roshan. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Well, there is no such thing as the perfect game. Fallout 1 comes close but still not perfect. Murphy's Law of Computer Gaming: The listed minimum specifications written on the box by the publisher are not the minimum specifications of the game set by the developer. @\NightandtheShape/@ - "Because you're a bizzare strange deranged human?" Walsingham- "Sand - always rushing around, stirring up apathy." Joseph Bulock - "Another headache, courtesy of Sand" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguars4ever Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Only in your mind, young Padawan learner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirottu Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 I would rate Tie Fighter and Freespace 2 to be pretty much perfect games of their genre. This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Raven Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Well, there is no such thing as the perfect game. Fallout 1 comes close but still not perfect. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Perfection Fallout is. Good times to be had! Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xard Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 (edited) Humans can't create anything called as "perfect". They may get close to it but that's it. I'll answer when I finally finish the game. No time for playing lately Edited December 13, 2006 by Xard How can it be a no ob build. It has PROVEN effective. I dare you to show your builds and I will tear you apart in an arugment about how these builds will won them. - OverPowered Godzilla (OPG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percival Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Was seriously disappointed by the game, game engine issues aside, the game did start well but started losing its appeal quite soon. When I finished it, I actually thought that NWN1 OC was better then this. It felt like playing a japanese "RPG", monorail storyline, with you going along for the ride. The mandatory party member switching for quests gave me bad memories of playing a Final fantasy game, ugh. I thought the multitude of suggestions and feedback from the older D&D games would make Obsidian give us a lot more choices in the game. I'm sure a game from 2006 can surpass the dialogue options we had in say BG2, but sadly no. a) me help you b) giev monay!1 c) roar i'm a insane psychopath dieee, arent my ideas of a good dialogue options nowadays. And since when is having a opinion of your own a bad idea? Must I kiss my henchmen a** to make them talk? The villians were pretty weak and uninspiring, I'd take one of those cheesy bad guys from a Drizzt novel anyday over the bland KoS. Actually, the good guys were even worse off. Please give me the option to put Nasher out of his misery. I'd rate it a 5, with say NWN1 OC having a 6.5ish score, and HOTU a 8 (even with the +60 destroyer of worlds munchkin weapons) for comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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