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How about Eye shots?  Groin shots? Brain shots?  And so forth.  Besides it is supposedly be a CRPG and not a FPS game.

Aim for the groin and you hit the groin. Not particularly hard.

 

And for the "eyes" and "brain". If you shoot someone in the head, both his eyes and his brains are going to come flying out, no matter what. To be able to shoot someone in the eyes to blind him is so incredibly stupid it hurts.

 

I don't know how many times I've tried to explain to you: CRPG does not automatically mean isometric view. A CRPG is still a CRPG in first person view. It's still a CRPG even if the combat lends elements from the FPS genre. It's just more interactive.


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It had continual action set up in six second rounds but it wasn't turn base to the truest sense of the concept. Fallout is turn based. ToEE is turn based. KotOR is not turn based.

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It's just more interactive.

 

No, it just makes it more lame. I am not looking for isometric. That would be silly with the 3D graphics that can be had today, but a full functioning camera view found in NWN would do just fine.

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Called shots in FO were just a workaround because you couldn't actually aim for and do body specific damage on the actual avatars.

 

I would far prefer eliminating "Called Shots" and as mkreku puts it actually aim for the groin on the avatar if you want to hit the groin on the avatar. Heck of a lot less static as far as gameplay goes.


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Of course KOTOR was turn-based! Didn't you guys notice the whole "Feedback" section in the pause menu where you could actually check out what happened in the last battle?

 

"Wow, what happened there, it was all a blur!"

 

*Checks feedback -

 

"Oh, looks like I missed with all three attacks of my flurry, then that dude rolled a 20 to hit me with a critical strike PLUS I failed my fortitude saving throw. That stunned me so I missed my turn and then he nailed me with an Improved Power Attack hitting with 41 versus my defense of 21, resulting in a crapload of damage. Looks like I got owned."

 

KOTOR was turn-based, it just played flashy animations to make it look like the characters were fighting in real-time. AND Bio/OBS even incorporated a "autopause-after-each-turn" option for the old-fashioned gamers who each battle to take 15 minutes. I never used it, because I prefer to pause on my own to assign actions, but it was there.


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The combat was based on stats. Characters took turns attacking each other. Dice were rolled behind the scenes.

 

How is that not turn-based combat?


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But now it's 2006. Please stay away from TB combat, devs!

 

There's nothing wrong with having a mix of both. Either, if done properly can be fun.


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KOTOR was, in fact, turn-based combat. If it was real-time combat, you'd throw a power attack when you pressed the button. But instead, you press it and then wait your turn. That's pretty ****ty real-time combat.

 

Yes it was.


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How about Eye shots?  Groin shots? Brain shots?  And so forth.  Besides it is supposedly be a CRPG and not a FPS game.

Aim for the groin and you hit the groin. Not particularly hard.

 

And for the "eyes" and "brain". If you shoot someone in the head, both his eyes and his brains are going to come flying out, no matter what. To be able to shoot someone in the eyes to blind him is so incredibly stupid it hurts.

 

I don't know how many times I've tried to explain to you: CRPG does not automatically mean isometric view. A CRPG is still a CRPG in first person view. It's still a CRPG even if the combat lends elements from the FPS genre. It's just more interactive.

 

 

Haha, the eye shots were goofy.

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Of course KOTOR was turn-based! Didn't you guys notice the whole "Feedback" section in the pause menu where you could actually check out what happened in the last battle?

 

"Wow, what happened there, it was all a blur!"

 

*Checks feedback -

 

"Oh, looks like I missed with all three attacks of my flurry, then that dude rolled a 20 to hit me with a critical strike PLUS I failed my fortitude saving throw. That stunned me so I missed my turn and then he nailed me with an Improved Power Attack hitting with 41 versus my defense of 21, resulting in a crapload of damage. Looks like I got owned."

 

KOTOR was turn-based, it just played flashy animations to make it look like the characters were fighting in real-time. AND Bio/OBS even incorporated a "autopause-after-each-turn" option for the old-fashioned gamers who each battle to take 15 minutes. I never used it, because I prefer to pause on my own to assign actions, but it was there.

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I love love LOVE the tb combat of games like Jagged Alliance 2, Silent Storm and the Front Mission series. The tb combat of Fallout, however, poo.

 

Well... Yeah. No big surprise. Shoot. There's just so goddamn more you can do with turnbased than Fallout's rudimentary system. I didn't even know this was still up for discussion.

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The man is back.

 

And shooting people in the groin never gets old. Neither does crushing a power armour with your fist.


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The man is back.

 

I always saw myself as more of a fatty transexual whose sex changing operation went horribly wrong, but 'man' would suffice I guess. Equally disturbing to my psyche. And back is pretty relative.

 

And shooting people in the groin never gets old. Neither does crushing a power armour with your fist.

 

Of course, but it's possible to do it in so many and better ways.

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Fallout combat's fine.

It worked well for the engine.

Different tastes I guess.

 

Besides which, Fallout

Had a lot more to offer

Other than combat.


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It wasn't turn base. It wasn't real time.

Oh? What was it mr fountain of information?

 

How about Eye shots?  Groin shots? Brain shots?  And so forth.  Besides it is supposedly be a CRPG and not a FPS game.

Aim for the groin and you hit the groin. Not particularly hard.

 

And for the "eyes" and "brain". If you shoot someone in the head, both his eyes and his brains are going to come flying out, no matter what. To be able to shoot someone in the eyes to blind him is so incredibly stupid it hurts.

 

I don't know how many times I've tried to explain to you: CRPG does not automatically mean isometric view. A CRPG is still a CRPG in first person view. It's still a CRPG even if the combat lends elements from the FPS genre. It's just more interactive.

 

 

Haha, the eye shots were goofy.

 

Concerning Fallout so were the witty dialogues after doing a called shot. :)


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"Oh? What was it mr fountain of information?"

 

Real time with pause, phased based, sphaghetti with cheeseballs. Anything but real time or turn base. All one needs to know is that it isn't fully either of those so to refer to the IE/NWN/KOTOR type combat as either turn base or real time is at best a falalcy, or at worst, a lie.


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Not all games are real time, just like not all games are turn based. :)

 

Everyone has their preferences. :)

But Fallout's combat system still sucks.


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"Oh? What was it mr fountain of information?"

 

Real time with pause, phased based, sphaghetti with cheeseballs. Anything but real time or turn base. All one needs to know is that it isn't fully either of those so to refer to the IE/NWN/KOTOR type combat as either turn base or real time is at best a falalcy, or at worst, a lie.

Either way its good.


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