Sinbreaker Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 I could never understand why the Jedi Sentinels and Watchmen were given almost as much willpower stats as Jedi Masters. Conditioning feats will bring them up to far, if not even better. It just seems then that the Jedi Master becomes nothing more than a weakened version of a Jedi Watchman. Since the JM already has lower melee damage and vitality points, their strength should be uber force points and will power. But with the saving throws for the sentinel/watchman as they are, that seems to just take the chutzpah out of the Jedi Master It would be really cool if Aurora's rebalance mod addressed this problem.... " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laozi Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Class balance is a difficult thing for most any RPG to navigate, but seemingly especially so for the Kotor games as they have not gotten it right yet. I hope that in the next game theres no "Classes" for jedi, and that you could obtain the skills and abilities on your own. As for saving throws, I'd like to see something more uniform, reguardless of class People laugh when I say that I think a jellyfish is one of the most beautiful things in the world. What they don't understand is, I mean a jellyfish with long, blond hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofAnakin Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 I wasn't really a fan of how Jedi Masters and Sith Lords classes were handled. Their weaknesses seemed to vastly outweigh their overall strengths. I was hoping that the Jedi Master or Sith Lord would be absolute monsters with Force ability, but instead they seemed only fractionally better than Watchmen/Mauraders, and considering how weak they were in other areas, it didn't seem like a good trade off. In other words, I felt disappointed that of the prestige classes, the ones called "master" and "lord" were arguably the weakest. "Console exclusive is such a harsh word." - Darque"Console exclusive is two words Darque." - Nartwak (in response to Darque's observation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAiNz.2da Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 I'd have to agree... I tend to play a consular up to my Prestige Class (to stock up on powers and FP pool), then immediately switch to the opposite.. WeaponsMaster Since early on in the game I have the advantage of my party, I can 'survive' the weak(ened) combat skills of Consulars... and later on when the game decides for 'solo' and 'split' quests, I have my combat skills as Weaponsmaster as well as my backup of Force... Note, I started doing this once I found out how TSL royally screwed my well planned Consular/Jedi Master... I felt rather 'buggered' to say the least.. hehehe <_< I have to agree with Laozi, please.. no 'classes' for Jedi when/if the next version ever gets developed... "Eagles May Soar, But Weasels Don't Get Sucked Into Jet Engines" | My KotOR / TSL Mods | My WIP | USM Compatibility | Having trouble with TSL's cheat console? Try the Hak Pad. Don't forget the Booster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabrielle Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 I wasn't really a fan of how Jedi Masters and Sith Lords classes were handled. Their weaknesses seemed to vastly outweigh their overall strengths. I was hoping that the Jedi Master or Sith Lord would be absolute monsters with Force ability, but instead they seemed only fractionally better than Watchmen/Mauraders, and considering how weak they were in other areas, it didn't seem like a good trade off. In other words, I felt disappointed that of the prestige classes, the ones called "master" and "lord" were arguably the weakest. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Character editors can fix that problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofAnakin Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 True, but it shouldn't have to. " "Console exclusive is such a harsh word." - Darque"Console exclusive is two words Darque." - Nartwak (in response to Darque's observation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinbreaker Posted July 19, 2005 Author Share Posted July 19, 2005 I heard though that Aurora did a rebalance mod for the game. Is there a way to tweak it so the Jedi Masters don't suck so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laozi Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 I'd have to agree... I tend to play a consular up to my Prestige Class (to stock up on powers and FP pool), then immediately switch to the opposite.. WeaponsMaster Since early on in the game I have the advantage of my party, I can 'survive' the weak(ened) combat skills of Consulars... and later on when the game decides for 'solo' and 'split' quests, I have my combat skills as Weaponsmaster as well as my backup of Force... Note, I started doing this once I found out how TSL royally screwed my well planned Consular/Jedi Master... I felt rather 'buggered' to say the least.. hehehe <_< I have to agree with Laozi, please.. no 'classes' for Jedi when/if the next version ever gets developed... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh sh1t, the laughing man just hacked my eyes People laugh when I say that I think a jellyfish is one of the most beautiful things in the world. What they don't understand is, I mean a jellyfish with long, blond hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 What was wrong with the Jedi Master? My Consular/Master got +6 to his wisdom, and gets way more force powers than any other character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I like sith lord (just spamming my Force Crush always got me the win, they couldn't do anything) and never played a Master, I always go for the lightsaber. I agree that you shouldn't have Classes amongst jedi with a minor acception, Jedi Knight and the prestiege class of Master. Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderAndrew Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Playing as a Weapon Master I had more than enough Force Powers, and plenty of Force Points. Why go Jedi Master? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 exactly. Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Well, you didn't even need a prestige class really. With a master I can still beat up on guys with my lightsaber. Why go Weapon Master? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderAndrew Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 So you can get a lightsaber that says Bad Mutha ****er on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Hehehe. I always love the look in Mace Windu's eyes in Episode III when they're in that saber lock. It's a focused, determined scowl, and I can't help but think he's thinking "What are you doing?? I'm a bad mutha ****er" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderAndrew Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 There are some fans still disappointed with how Mace went out. Yet basically two of the three most powerful Force users in the galaxy had to both take him on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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