Cassidy Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 So I've been hearing that Kreia is actually the Handmaidens mother, forgot the name now. Anyhow, is this true? How does anyone come to such a conclusion? I've never had Kreia tell me that. I thought Handmaiden's mother died on Malachor.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofAnakin Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 There was a large thread about this topic, but I'm too lazy to dig it up. It went quite indepth, with the thread originator putting quite a bit of effort and evidence forward towards her argument. "Console exclusive is such a harsh word." - Darque"Console exclusive is two words Darque." - Nartwak (in response to Darque's observation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodo kast 5 Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 Kreia:Handmaiden,I am your mother!................... Handmaiden:No, thats not true thats impossible! *Darth Vader music playing in backround* Kreia:Search your feelings, you know it to be true........ Handmaiden:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! (w00t) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julianw Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 I thought Handmaiden's mom is a jedi knight while on the other hand Kreia is somewhat of a archives woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodo kast 5 Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 I thought Handmaiden's mom is a jedi knight while on the other hand Kreia is somewhat of a archives woman. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> your right, its come up a million times, KREIA IS NOT THE HANDMAIDEN'S MOTHER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w666tvr Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 It is not entirely unreasonable to suppose that Obsidian/LucasArts considered a story line whereby Kreia was Kae, for that Empire Strikes Back moment (and to tie her more firmly to both the betrayal of Handmaiden and Disciple if Kae was to be his master). But it would appear to have been abandoned early, leaving few traces. As the game shipped there is far too much evidence to the contrary; Kreia not fighting in the Mandalorian wars, being exiled at the wrong time for the wrong reason, being the wrong age, Disciple knowing Kae but not Kreia whilst Kreia is putting the whammy on him, and so on. Most of the evidence supporting is based open a lax interpretation; a Disciple line that isn't even in the game, his listing of Jedi Masters training Revan that only includes one woman: Kae, Kreias off-key comments about herself and the Handmaiden, etc... Basically you can argue it both ways and never be completely wrong. "We were hoping we could bring the Xbox platform into December but didn't want to make the formal announcement until we knew an earlier ship date would not compromise the quality of The Sith Lords," says Producer Mike Gallo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 Of course but if you say that the old witch is the baboon's mum, you make the most sense. And I don't think Obsidian would dare such a story. Oooor, it could be like Luke and Leia (Disciple and Handmaiden would be brother and sister)... "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth spock Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 It's not possible because isn't Handmaiden Echani?! Kreia, last time I checked, is in the ungodly-annoying-Jedi-turning-Sith catagory. <_< Fanfics: KotOR II: After the Credits Rolled: Read Force Sight: Read Other: Gaming Blog: Read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julianw Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 Maybe Kreia is Disciple's mom. I see some resemblance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redd.Dragon Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 Kriea never fought in the Mandalorian Wars. Kriea was always a Master not a Knight. Kriea trained Revan, she was a teacher not a follower. She is not her mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassidy Posted June 30, 2005 Author Share Posted June 30, 2005 It's not possible because isn't Handmaiden Echani?! Kreia, last time I checked, is in the ungodly-annoying-Jedi-turning-Sith catagory. <_< <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well to this I can say, Handmaiden was only half echani. Her father was an echani general but her mother was a Jedi Knight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flipside Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 There was such a tread already. here "I'm pretty sure if they took all the porn off the internet there'd only be one site left, and it'd be called 'Bring back the porn'" - Perry Cox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth spock Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 But...how...? Kreia is absoutely ancient!! When you're old, you look old. And apparently Kreia still looked the same way she did at the Sion-Nihilus-Stab-In-The-Back cutscene. Let's say Handmaiden is about 20... Okay, very bad mental image starting to come to my head... (basically why would Handmaiden's father even think of Kreia... I'll stop there) Fanfics: KotOR II: After the Credits Rolled: Read Force Sight: Read Other: Gaming Blog: Read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 It's not possible because isn't Handmaiden Echani?! Kreia, last time I checked, is in the ungodly-annoying-Jedi-turning-Sith catagory. <_< <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you read the dialogues, you will see that the reason Brianna is "the last of the handmaidens" is because she was born from their mutual father's second partner, a Jedi named Kae. The thread was about twenty pages long, and it was quite evident that the evidence was there, and in fact it was more likely as not that this was the case, but that it was never fully scripted into the game (whether for lack of time or plot re-negotiation was obviously up for debate). Forna K. Shan's thread (<{POST_SNAPBACK}>) on 10 March. The Search function is your friend. I have included the first post of the thread, below. OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 [Edit: I hope nobody minds that I've editted the title of this thread to reflect that it overwhelmingly deals with only the first of the 2 Questions I was originally asking.] Kreia was Handmaidens mother, right? I just assumed that when Kavar said to her, "I thought you died on Malachor V" that he was referring to Master Kae, Handmaiden's mom. Besides Kreia acknowledged being one of Revan's Masters and elsewhere Master Kae was mentioned as being one of Revan's Masters. Even Sion refers to Kreia's hopes to train one as great as her former apprentice (Revan). And when Kreia speaks of have the galaxy by the throat at one time, I suppose she meant through Revan. And then there's all the complicated emotions that Kreia always reveals whenever Handmaiden is mentioned including her exclamation of "betrayal" when Handmaiden accepts Jedi training. Oh yeah, and they both have white hair. This was the second question: The droid factory should have been under the abandoned military base on Telos, right? After listening to the unused HK-47 sound clip that camicortes posted a while back, it's quite clear that the factory was supposed to be on Telos. It just seemed odd that the HK-50 units that arrived just after you depart the underground base seem to be making a routine visit, like they're there quite regularly. They react like their home has been ransacked. Perhaps that unusable door leading to the sublevel originally lead to the droid factory. Thoughts? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncr Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 I think Kreia is Handmaiden's grandmother, but she doesn't want to tell anybody for mysterious, Kreia reasons. I also think the loss of her daughter, Handmaiden's mother, caused her to hate The Force. She believes it murdered her daughter, or at least, is responsible for her death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Abomination Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 heres a wrench to throw in thw works, what if the Jedi that Atton killed that showed him the force was Hand Maidens mom and the Witch the grandma it would explain why Krie hates Atton so much would it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncr Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 It could, but I'm not sure if the timing would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laozi Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 eh....If that were the case she'd probaly have little trouble killing Atton outright. People laugh when I say that I think a jellyfish is one of the most beautiful things in the world. What they don't understand is, I mean a jellyfish with long, blond hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncr Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 eh....If that were the case she'd probaly have little trouble killing Atton outright. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ah... beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Abomination Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 your looking at it too simply if she killed Atton Exile might be just a little pissed and teaching someone after you've offed their friend would be one hell of a challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncr Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 Kreia is a master manipulator. She could easily kill him and make it look like an accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darknesslord Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 kreia is master kae, true it was cut, true we cannot fully prove it. But arren kae is useless in kotor 2, there is no purpose in talking about her and making up her name. It was meant to be, but cut because of lack of time. I'm totally sure of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassidy Posted July 1, 2005 Author Share Posted July 1, 2005 Still, how can you explain Kreia's obvious old age? Handmaiden is very young, early 20's I believe. How could an old bat like Kreia be Handmaidens mother? <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 read the entire thread in the link that's where they explain it all.... Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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