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I'm a republican so I'm yay for moral values in goverment and everyday life. Also Bush I think is doing a good job and the War in Iraq was for a good reason, to end the terror there.

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I'm a republican so I'm yay for moral values in goverment and everyday life. Also Bush I think is doing a good job and the War in Iraq was for a good reason, to end the terror there.

 

Just a note on "moral values":

 

It's a misnomer that the right is in favor of moral values, and the left is not. Both sides see their views as motivated by deeply moral beliefs. The difference is what the morality is based upon. The problem is that, in public opinion polls, "moral values" is often read as code for "Evangelical Christian moral values."

 

The more conservative morality is a morality based on service to some higher purpose. Generally, this means religion of some kind. For adherents to this view, a particular act is defined a "moral" or "immoral" depending on existing dogma based on interpretations of some historically-revealed truth. (disclaimer: yes, there are deeply religious liberals who find support for their political views in ancient texts. As anyone else describing populations as "liberal" or "conservative," I am generalizing a bit.)

 

The more liberal morality is a morality based upon fulfillment of ones inner potential. Thus, there is strong liberal support for public education, family planning, aid to the poor (since economic realities often prevent self-fulfillment), etc. "The Joy of Sex," for example, is a very moral book, according to this view-- it helps people lead happy, fulfilling lives, and society as a whole is bettered.

 

 

This is, of course, entirely separate from analysis of the efficacy of recent domestic and foreign policy decision, and the political-economy questions regarding how involved government should be in the rest of the society...

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I am pretty much a liberal. My moral values are quite simple. If what you are doing isn't harming someone else or you have consent, then anything goes. Plain, simple, and straight forward.

 

I believe God exists, but I hate the bugger. I have very many many reasons.

 

Also, the majority of the terrorist problems that are in the Middle East were caused by the US government by not knowing when to stop interfering with other countries. After all, who trained Osama Bin Ladin? We did. Who gave support to Saddam Hussein during his rise in power? We did. Who gave land to the Jews even though it wasn't our place to? Well, we share that responsibility with Great Britain. Anyway you see my point.

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My stance on politics is not to discuss politics on the internet. toothygrin.gif

 

But I'm kind of a...conservative liberal/other...or something along those lines.

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I'm a socialist. I believe in building a society where everyone has equal value and noone is left behind.

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I guess I'd be a liberal...though I have a few conservative views here and there (the execution of convicts, for instance............if you murder people...your not fit for society...ever).

 

Just drifting along in the grey area between all major parties, I think.

I had thought that some of nature's journeymen had made men and not made them well, for they imitated humanity so abominably. - Book of Counted Sorrows

 

'Cause I won't know the man that kills me

and I don't know these men I kill

but we all wind up on the same side

'cause ain't none of us doin' god's will.

- Everlast

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I'm a libertarian. Meaning, I believe the government's job is to protect its citizens from each other and from outside forces. A Libertarian government would only provide emergency services (police, fire, etc.), a military, and (probably) maintainance of roads. Laws would be put in place only to protect people from others, not from themselves. People would be personally responible for how they use their bodies, meaning that they would be free to take drugs, not wear helmets or seatbelts, and so on. It's your life.

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I wouldnt know what to label myself, its better to leave that to other people. I could just lay out my opinion about a few issues and let you decide what you want to call it.

 

 

-Companies should exist primarily in order to provide the general public with the best possible products, and jobs so that they may buy those products.

 

-The Companies should be owned by the people working within them and the profits distrubuted among them on a relative scale.

 

-All organized religon must be banned. You're free to believe in higher powers, but you are not allowed to abuse that belief to organize a power structure in order to exercise control over your fellow human beings(like a church or sect)

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"I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "

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I wouldnt know what to label myself, its better to leave that to other people. I could just lay out my opinion about a few issues and let you decide what you want to call it.

 

 

-Companies should exist primarily in order to provide the general public with the best possible products, and jobs so that they may buy those products.

 

-The Companies should be owned by the people working within them and the profits distrubuted among them on a relative scale.

 

-All organized religon must be banned. You're free to believe in higher powers, but you are not allowed to abuse that belief to organize a power structure in order to exercise control over your fellow human beings(like a church or sect)

 

Sounds something like council communism to me.

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I am not interested in a debate or aught, so here is just an expression, in brief, of my politickal views:

 

*Monarchist. Because it works (and is better than the alternatives).

*Nationalist. I believe in a world of nation states as the best societal and politickal way.

*Quite liberal re: gay rights and suchlike.

*Sort of environmentally aware; very much a nature-lover.

*A bit conservatives. I believe that the best way forward is to slowly build on the work of one's forebears; dramatick upheavel never results in much of worth.

*Generally speaking, less government = better.

 

An "interesting" policy idea of mine is the potential for the death penalty for recidivists of the worst sorts of crime- rape, drug-dealing and murder.

 

 

 

(btw, who says organised religion is bound to end in abuse? Surely if you and your fellows believe in the same things, and thus organise yourself , then where is the harm in that? Just because organised religion CAN be corrupted is nto an excuse for no organised religion at all; lots of things CAN be corrupted)

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For certain things I would like to see free healthcare, free education for the first 2 years of college, and free utilities (water, electricity, and such) for all. Would that mean higher taxes, hell yeah, but you won't have to worry about the basics and all young people will have a good start in finding what they want to do with the rest of their lives. :)

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I believe in doing what I think is the best thing. Being liberal or republican or conservative or whatever means nothing to me. Of course, I tend to side with liberals more foten though I did side with the idea that getting rid of Saddam Hussein was a good thing. of course, there is a lot of things about how the war was handled that dissapointments me.

 

As another said, I beleive that all sides cna be moral and immoral. It's not either/or.

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I like the system we have in Denmark .. which is a Social Democracy, we have free healthcare, free education all the way (unless you chose some kind of private school), and alot of financial help from the goverment wether you are unemployed or taking an education. Of course this is payed with high taxes, going so far as claiming 60% of a persons income in the highest cases..

 

and then a little insight into how and why that works where I live..

 

our system works here because of the Danish mentality .. which is too hard to explain, but in an essence it's "it doesn't matter wether you are rich or succesful .. just as long as you are happy" .. which means we won't strive to be the best, which is the mentality of more capitalistic nations England and US for instance, but we won't stand in anyones way if they want too!

 

but then there is a complication, since equality is so heavily rooted in Danish society, we have developed a moral and social law which is called the Jante-law.. which in general say "You shouldn't think you are better than us!", it's the byproduct of socialism and equality .. "if you think you are better than me, then you are not danish!" so our social moral doesn't not inspire people to excel or strive for perfection like that of capitalistic nations, but it does inspire people to strive for happiness and the wellbeing of others!

 

I would imagine it's the same in Sweden and Norway .. but I don't really know ..

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It's exactly the same. except we tend to consider Danes as more open and less uptight than ourselves. Which is nonsense, we Scandinavians only *think* we're different than eachother.

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Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture.

 

"I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "

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our system works here because of the Danish mentality .. which is too hard to explain, but in an essence it's "it doesn't matter wether you are rich or succesful .. just as long as you are happy" ..

 

I think I wanna move to Denmark :(

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It is the same in Norway, by the way. :)

 

It should be commented that the Jante Law is not legislature, it's more of a social norm deeply rooted in society. Just in case some reactionarian American would try to use this as an example of how we are enslaved by our governments! :D

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well Darque .. it's great if you share the mentality! but it's hard if you don't!

 

Denmark is great for the social minded, bur for one who wants to be filthy rich and have it all .. well then you want another country!

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"*Monarchist. Because it works (and is better than the alternatives)."

 

Wait. Monarchy? As in kings & all? Genetics isn't really a very good system for determining executive power, is it? I mean, even the most beloved and capable leader could have a son so mindbogglingly stupid he could singlehandedly flush the world's greatest nation down the sewer before the populace at large has a chance to notice.

 

I know you said you're not interested in debate, but still...

 

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What Rosbjerg said, although I'm more of a Liberal than a Social Democrat, but I still wouldn't want the welfare state to go away, just lower the taxes a tiny winy bit, pretty please? :lol:

 

Right, and a devout Royalist, I think the monarchy is part of the very essence of the nation and an embodiment of our history, I wouldn't trade it for a republic on my life.

DENMARK!

 

It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting.

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