Different take on the Exile

[h0mi]

I've got a slightly different idea about the exile, vs. what has been discussed here and in other threads I think. But it hinges upon 1 assumption- For those of you who were able to train the others as Jedi, how high of a level with them did you get? Did you manage to start them earlier on (say you were level 20 or earlier, so by the end of the game they're level 10 or so?)?

 

The most important fact I need to bolster my hypothesis... . has anyone "force chained" with the other Jedi in your party?

 

It is clear that the exile has a bond with Kreia but unless we see that force chain with the other Jedi, the "bond" that they share with the exile strikes me as being significantly different from the bond between student/teacher or even the bonds being discussed through the force that the council feared. (And even if the Exile did force chain with the newer Jedi, why would that bond be this "abnormal" one instead of a bond formed between student and master?) And IMO this means that the issue with the exile, the "wound" is something different. I don't think it's about his bonding & "feeding" off of other people's force powers. It was about his turning off those connections to the Force. His destiny was to follow Revan and Malak like the other Jedi. He turned away from that path. He demonstrated that you can cut yourself off in the force, refusing to have it dominate your destiny. The Jedi Council sees this act as a wound (and as a threat to their teachings and belief system, which is already flawed in some way) and decides to punish you, lest you lead others down this dangerous path.

 

The exile is charismatic, like Revan was. But this charisma that draws people to follow either the Exile or Revan isn't force driven IMO or remotely like Nihilus' feeding. Many non-force sensitive people chose Darth Revan (Saul Karath and the other ex-Republic military) when Revan returned to conquer the Republic, just as those non-force sensitive people willingly followed the Exile's order to charge into the mine field at Malachor V for "force bonds" to be a factor.

 

 

One other thing. Malachor V corrupted Malak and Revan but it did not turn them to the dark side. On Dantooine, we have this from the vision on Dantooine:

 

Malak:

"The dark side is strong in this place - I can feel its power. Is this wise? The Ancient Jedi sealed this Archway. If we pass beyond this door, we can never go back. The order will surely banish us. Are the secrets of the Star Forge so valuable? Can its power truly be worth the risk?"

 

(oddly enough, Revan is wearing the Darth Revan robes supposedly created by the SF and a mask, and Revan appears to walk like a woman)

 

If they had already "fallen" (or at least Malak) to the Dark Side, there would be no concern about being banished by the Council, or of "going back" or any risks. And it seems to me that this occurred before the Exile returned to the Council (only to be banished).

[Knightmare(MM]

These points have been taken into consideration... they are good. I shall consider them further as a result of your post.

[Jedi_Master_Darkor]

I've got a slightly different idea about the exile, vs. what has been discussed  here and in other threads I think. But it hinges upon 1 assumption- For those of you who were able to train the others as Jedi, how high of a level with them did you get? Did you manage to start them earlier on (say you were level 20 or earlier, so by the end of the game they're level 10 or so?)?

 

The most important fact I need to bolster my hypothesis... . has anyone "force chained" with the other Jedi in your party?

 

It is clear that the exile has a bond with Kreia but unless we see that force chain with the other Jedi, the "bond" that they share with the exile strikes me as being significantly different from the bond between student/teacher or even the bonds being discussed through the force that the council feared. (And even if the Exile did force chain with the newer Jedi, why would that bond be this "abnormal" one instead of a bond formed between student and master?) And IMO this means that the issue with the exile, the "wound" is something different. I don't think it's about his bonding & "feeding" off of other people's force powers.  It was about his turning off those connections to the Force. His destiny was to follow Revan and Malak like the other Jedi. He turned away from that path. He demonstrated that you can cut yourself off in the force, refusing to have it dominate your destiny. The Jedi Council sees this act as a wound (and as a threat to their teachings and belief system, which is already flawed in some way) and decides to punish you, lest you lead others down this dangerous path.

 

The exile is charismatic, like Revan was. But this charisma that draws people to follow either the Exile or Revan isn't force driven IMO or remotely like Nihilus' feeding. Many non-force sensitive people chose Darth Revan (Saul Karath and the other ex-Republic military) when Revan returned to conquer the Republic, just as those non-force sensitive people willingly followed the Exile's order to charge into the mine field at Malachor V for "force bonds" to be a factor.

 

 

One other thing. Malachor V corrupted Malak and Revan but it did not turn them to the dark side. On Dantooine, we have this from the vision on Dantooine:

 

Malak:

"The dark side is strong in this place - I can feel its power. Is this wise? The Ancient Jedi sealed this Archway. If we pass beyond this door, we can never go back. The order will surely banish us. Are the secrets of the Star Forge so valuable? Can its power truly be worth the risk?"

 

(oddly enough, Revan is wearing the Darth Revan robes supposedly created by the SF and a mask, and Revan appears to walk like a woman)

 

If they had already "fallen" (or at least Malak) to the Dark Side, there would be no concern about being banished by the Council, or of "going back" or any risks. And it seems to me that this occurred before the Exile returned to the Council (only to be banished).

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Revan doesn't walk like a woman.

[GeneralCrimson]

Revan is in no way shape or form a female what I don't get is how did Revan find out about the starforge anyway. Kotor 2 didn't explain that. OK all i got from these two games is this: Mandalorians wage war against republic. Jedi sense greater evil behind the Mandalorians. Revan and Malak disagree with Jedi about not joining the war and join anyway bringing Exile, Sion, Nihilus and Kreia(not really sure) with them. Revan starts winning war and and finally at Malachor V Revan finds evil power that allows him to corrupt people then he chases Mandalorians to Unknown space. OK heres the confusing part. He comes back with giant fleet and power of the starforge. Ok so when did he have the time to find starmaps???and kotor 1 happens then kotor 2

[DoctorKiara]

She was in my games. Female I mean.

[h0mi]

Revan is in no way shape or form a female  

 

For the most part I've not thought so but Revan's walk on Dantooine looks more feminine to me than I'd expect.

 

I think according to the EU, the exile has an actual name that I caught briefly on theforce.net the other day ... I wish I could remember the name/post, but it suggested the exile was clearly male.

 

The male/female debate is primarily how the storyline is affected by gameplay and Obsidian/Bioware have done a decent job (though it gets confusing) of keeping the story fairly gender neutral to allow for a female exile or Revan.

 

what I don't get is how did Revan find out about the starforge anyway.

 

That's something in dispute I think. It appears something on Malachor V referred to the ruins in Dantooine or to the Star Forge itself... this hasn't been made clear by the games.

 

Kotor 2 didn't explain that. OK all i got from these two games is this: Mandalorians wage war against republic. Jedi sense greater evil behind the Mandalorians. Revan and Malak disagree with Jedi about not joining the war and join anyway bringing Exile, Sion, Nihilus and Kreia(not really sure) with them.

 

I think it's unclear about the origins of Scion/Traya and Nihilus & whether or not they were fighting with the Republic at Malachor V.

 

Revan starts winning war and and finally at Malachor V Revan finds evil power that allows him to corrupt people then he chases Mandalorians to Unknown space. OK heres the confusing part. He comes back with giant fleet and power of the starforge. Ok so when did he have the time to find starmaps???and kotor 1 happens then kotor 2

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What happened was after Malachor V, Revan and Malak, along with (some?) of the Republic fleet and all of the Jedi who followed and fought at Malachor V went into the unknown regions. They "vanished" for ~5 years. During this time, Revan was rumored to have appeared at Tatooine, Kashyyk, Manaan, and Korriban but those rumors were never substantiated (and of course, they were true- Revan went to see the Star maps on each world). I don't recall Dantooine being 1 of the rumored systems but that would make sense.

 

It does appear that some sort of bond exists between Visas and the Exile. But perhaps its due to them having a common experience- she survived, somehow, the destruction at Katarr and Nihilus did not consume her for whatever reason. The exile survived Malachor V and turned away from the force. There's got to be some significance in this.

[QalOrt]

Well i have played as Revan as a male and as a female. But officialy for me Revan is a Man. and the Exile for me is a Female named Samyaza.

 

PS what happened to all the good male portraits! i want my long haired face back i used for Revan!!

 

Ranting and Raving over. For now...

[Aidan Kun]

Well i have played as Revan as a male and as a female. But officialy for me Revan is a Man. and the Exile for me is a Female named Samyaza.

 

PS what happened to all the good male portraits! i want my long haired face back i used for Revan!!

 

Ranting and Raving over. For now...

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I had played as a female in KOTOR I, but if i knew

that I was Revan

I wouldve chose to be a female.

 

Dunno why either, i just see Revan as a female in my head. As for the exile, a male.

 

For the male faces, i was the bearded guy, dunno why, just seemed jedi-ish.

[QalOrt]

I did play as a male and i used the face that looked like Adm. Piett when he was a 20 year old. and named him Piett.

 

But i mostly play as Light side female, Samyaza. her face looks like a friend of mine. Its the attractive Brown haired on with some blond in it ,not the face on page 20 of the instruction manual,but the other one with the pony tale, if your curious.

[Aidan Kun]

I did play as a male and i used the face that looked like Adm. Piett when he was a 20 year old. and named him Piett.

 

But i mostly play as Light side female, Samyaza. her face looks like a friend of mine. Its the attractive Brown haired on with some blond in it ,not the face on page 20 of the instruction manual,but the other one with the pony tale, if your curious.

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I'm almost always lightside, U get so crusty and white when u go sith