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One thing I can argue: You can remove Steam from your system startup. I did that immediately and it never popped up without direct action on my part. You can also turn game updates off so you don't have to automatically download patches when they come out.

Meh. I didn't really bother trying to. I don't remember you were given the option during the setup program, though.
Laziness on my part, I suppose.

Do you think Carmack doesn't want to make assloads of money? Everyone that makes a game wants to make a critically acclaimed blockbuster. For me I view HL2 as a fantastic game, so I don't hold it against Valve or Newell for wanting to make money.

Yeah, it's understandable they want to make money. What I didn't like about it is that their intention was to remove the publisher from the equation, without decreasing the product price, thus making a lot more money at the expense of the user. That's pretty greedier than wanting to sell the most games, IMO.

Wasn't the hacking incident in late August/early september? And wasn't the game supposed to be released in September? I don't profess to being an expert on the history of Valve, but I always thought Steam was something that was out even before HL2 was supposed to be out and used for CS and stuff like that. I looked back at old news sources..Steam was out way before the hacking incident, unless I totally misread the news articles.  :)

Perhaps. To be honest I really don't know but I think at first Steam was only a means through which Valve products would be distributed. I'm not sure all the authentication garbage for standard retail products was part of the original idea. Again, that's just pure speculation, I don't know for a fact.

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Yeah, it's understandable they want to make money. What I didn't like about it is that their intention was to remove the publisher from the equation, without decreasing the product price, thus making a lot more money at the expense of the user. That's pretty greedier than wanting to sell the most games, IMO.


I'll sort of concede that point. I did think at the time that by cutting out the middleman of the publisher the game should be cheaper, and was a little surprised when it wasn't. On the other hand I really can't blame a developer for wanting to get all of the profits out of their title. I mean, if I can find a reliable way to get my product to the consumer without having to pay someone else to do it or let them have a share of the profits I'll wholeheartedly go for it. It goes back to my earlier point: I can't blame Valve for wanting to get as much money out of the product they have put their hearts and souls into for the last 5(or however many it has been) years. It just doesn't bother me, maybe because I am so close to entering the job market myself and I am starting to get worried about my money situation after exiting college. :D

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The question here is when will Valve make a game I can get into. They need to make a CRPG.

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You call all sorts of folks trolls. I dunno, but it seems like you bandy the T word around an aweful lot. Are you sure the troll you smell might not be yourself? I await with relish your response. After all, you've already established that I'm a troll, an accusation I've never had leveled at me from anyone else. :Eldar'sgrinningicon: I think it hurts your argument to throw out words like Troll at everyone in the thread. Even if he's trying to insult you, that doesn't make him a troll. A troll posts only to incite argument, something that doesn't seem likely for folks in this thread. We're all taking serious positions and trying to defend them in one way or another.

I agree with you concerning the on topic issue. Still, rather than ruin my post by addressing your "troll" condition, I believe you ruin your argument by throwing out the word troll when you don't have an adequate response for what someone says. I don't think someone calling a legitimate customer a pirate constitutes a troll. I believe it constitutes a jackass.

As far as the flamewar goes, I can honestly claim that I have not even a smidge of animosity. After all, I'm a troll and trolls are remarkably thick skinned. And green.

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You call all sorts of folks trolls.  I dunno, but it seems like you bandy the T word around an aweful lot.  Are you sure the troll you smell might not be yourself?  I await with relish your response.  After all, you've already established that I'm a troll, an accusation I've never had leveled at me from anyone else.  :Eldar'sgrinningicon:  I think it hurts your argument to throw out words like Troll at everyone in the thread.  Even if he's trying to insult you, that doesn't make him a troll.  A troll posts only to incite argument, something that doesn't seem likely for folks in this thread.  We're all taking serious positions and trying to defend them in one way or another.

Yeah, I yell 'troll!' at anyone whose arguments I can't counter. Plenty of examples everywhere. Care to post one?

I didn't call you a troll, IIRC. Not directly at least. I just implied you might have been trolling with some statements which I don't remember and can't be bothered to look up now. But man, if this is a personal grudge with me because I called you a troll, it's about damn time you get over it.

I agree with you concerning the on topic issue.  Still, rather than ruin my post by addressing your "troll" condition, I believe you ruin your argument by throwing out the word troll when you don't have an adequate response for what someone says.  I don't think someone calling a legitimate customer a pirate constitutes a troll.  I believe it constitutes a jackass.

There are three possible courses of action one can take when facing a troll. Flame, ignore, or call them a troll. I could have flamed him, and I could have ignored him, perhaps that would have been the most intelligent thing to do, but still, that doesn't change the fact that his posts' only aim were to draw flak. Flamebaits are the handiwork of trolls. He might be a jackass as well, I don't know nor do I care, but what I do know is that he is a troll.

As far as the flamewar goes, I can honestly claim that I have not even a smidge of animosity.  After all, I'm a troll and trolls are remarkably thick skinned.  And green.

Again, I hadn't noticed we were having a flamewar. That's not my style of flaming, anyway. If you consider telling people the truth without second intentions constitutes flaming, then it's your problem.

You say you are pretty thick-skinned yet you jumped at the chance to tell me I'm always calling people a troll, even though it's a blatant lie.
Yeah, you have proven you can keep your cool under really heavy fire, even though this whole business had nothing to do with you, and despite your previous apparent lack of interest in the Steam discussion. Not to mention that first you set me straight and then you proceeded to state your opinion on the topic at hand. Interesting set of priorities you got there. :)

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Yeah, it's understandable they want to make money. What I didn't like about it is that their intention was to remove the publisher from the equation, without decreasing the product price, thus making a lot more money at the expense of the user. That's pretty greedier than wanting to sell the most games, IMO.

Wrong. Vivendi is still the publisher of the game. Now, imagine if Steam sold HL2 at a cheaper price. Say, 10 bucks cheaper. Given that Vivendi gets a smaller cut of the profits from Steam vs retail sales, which version do you think gamers with fast net access will buy, and how do you think Vivendi would react? At this point in time, Valve CAN'T sell the game cheaper, or it'd have an already angry publisher even angrier.

It's not THE step forward, it's A step forward. Valve is a wealthy company, Vivendi didn't provide all of the 40 million bucks to finance the game. That being said, Valve STILL needs a publisher at this point, and the publisher wouldn't allow the Digital Distribution version of the game to be sold at a cheaper price or it'd affect the retail sales. *A* step forward. The world is still not rid of publishers just yet at this point in time.

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Yeah, it's understandable they want to make money. What I didn't like about it is that their intention was to remove the publisher from the equation, without decreasing the product price, thus making a lot more money at the expense of the user. That's pretty greedier than wanting to sell the most games, IMO.

Wrong. Vivendi is still the publisher of the game. Now, imagine if Steam sold HL2 at a cheaper price. Say, 10 bucks cheaper. Given that Vivendi gets a smaller cut of the profits from Steam vs retail sales, which version do you think gamers with fast net access will buy, and how do you think Vivendi would react? At this point in time, Valve CAN'T sell the game cheaper, or it'd have an already angry publisher even angrier.

Do you actually know they can't or is that just speculation? I mean, is there something that legally prevents them from selling cheaper? Surely you got those conclusions from somewhere. If you provided a link that would add strength to your claims.

the publisher wouldn't allow the Digital Distribution version of the game to be sold at a cheaper price or it'd affect the retail sales.

Now that *is* speculation. I for one would still buy the retail version if only because I would not depend on Steam and I would have the original CD and box (not manual, though...).

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You need a bigger six shooter, my multi-numbered friend. I'm afraid I made you angry. Well, you sure sound a bit angry. Of course, you sounded a bit angry before I came into this thread. After all, you obviously weren't addressing me when you wrote, "[i]f you had the slightest idea what you are talking about you dumbass, you would know that it is actually *easier* to play a cracked/pirated copy of HL2 than a original one, if only because you don't depend on Steam to validate/decript/activate your game." I mean, my post sure sounded like I "...jumped at the chance to tell me I'm always calling people a troll, even though it's a blatant lie." Sure, use it in a quote. I like things like that. It feeds my overweening arrogance. Nonetheless, what I thought I did was tell you what seemed apparent to me. After all, you "implied" I was a troll in the same thread where you blatantly called Vol a troll. Then, hey, I was reading this thread on the same day I responded to several threads, and here you are, calling yet some other fellow a troll. I shake my head in wonder. I wasn't trying to bait you, I was merely observing a truth as I saw it. All I can say is, "[i]f you consider telling people the truth without second intentions constitutes flaming, then it's your problem." All of this is a diversion from the real topic. Wait, I guess I can't make a comment in a thread without it being some sort of "personal grudge." I mean, we can't both post in the same thread? ...Or I can post, but I can't respond to anything you say? ...Or I can respond, but it can't be to disagree, otherwise I'm a troll or a dumbass or some such? ...And you think I'm angry? If I'm a troll, then you've got a huge target painted on your forehead. I can count on you, oh numbered one. Any slight regard and you're there to get the best of me! Well, consider me bested. Feel free to use that as a quote, I love stuff like that. Something tells me you're a "last word" sort of fellow. You probably like the bragging rights. Tell you what, you give me some sort of flippant and angry (but not really, you only sound that way) response and I'll let you get the last word. I don't, however, promise that I won't respond to the thread in general. After all, this is an important issue for gamers.

Here's a serious response to get away from the fluff being thrown around regarding this whole issue: trolls are folks who don't really have any real opinion regarding the discussion. Trolls make comments solely to create arguments. Message board cowboys, and I'm gladdened that you took the first step of admitting you have a problem, feel the need to resort to obnoxious comments at the slightest provocation. Now, the folks in this thread seem to have a position. The reason that's a problem is simple, there are a good number of Valve fans who see an attack on Steam as an attack on HL2. We could only wish that they were trolls, but we aren't so lucky. The Valve fans truly believe in what they say. These people sometimes respond angrily to folks who bad-mouth Steam or HL2. More useful than being childish and giving a one sentence, meaningless response is to explain that Steam is flawed whether or not the game is good. I, for one, really enjoyed HL2. It's one of the best games I've ever played. ...But that doesn't mean the Steam idea is good. You can like the game and hate Steam. As consumers, we should recognize that a lot of folks will like the game but that they should voice their concerns about Steam. I don't think the issue has reached critical mass, so I suspect Valve will continue to use Steam. Nevertheless, we have a voice and we should use it.

If you hate both HL2 and Steam, then I suppose it makes a lot of sense to rail against both. On the other hand, some folks will see both HL2 and Steam as an improvement on the whole issue of software purchases. I hope that we can convince them that, no matter how good HL2 is, Steam has some far reaching implications that might not be the best thing for the industry as a whole.

Finally, Steam might be a net benefit for the industry. We just don't know. I don't like it, but that doesn't mean I'm not wrong. Good or bad, it's here for the time being and so we might as well hope for the best.

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You sure could use some punctuation.

I'm almost impressed by your uncanny twisting of well... almost everything. I'm not going to defuse your claims one by one because it's not worth it and because your paragraph-less post makes it next to impossible.

I find it amusing though, that in almost every one of your replies to me, you assume I'm angry. I said it before, and I will say it again: you can't anger me, no matter how hard you try. You are just not important enough. Don't assume that just because I call someone a dumbass I'm angry.

You on the other hand seem to be rather bothered by whatever I say, because if you didn't care, you would ignore me. I don't recall that guy asking you for help so you really had no business telling me who and who is not a troll. But you couldn't resist a chance to have a go at me.

Keep claiming that you don't care and that I'm a last word type of guy, but the truth of the matter is, that you are just like me. =]

So grow up, and don't take these boards so seriously. :thumbsup:

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To lighten the "let's all bash each other" mood, the only complaints I have about half life two is:

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which is probably one of the scarriest places in any game I've encountered. Graphics this good plus
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is not my idea of a good time. :thumbsup:

Steam hasn't given me any problems. Do you want it to?

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To lighten the "let's all bash each other" mood, the only complaints I have about half life two is:

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and
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which is probably one of the scarriest places in any game I've encountered. Graphics this good plus
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is not my idea of a good time.  :thumbsup:

Um, yeah. Anyway, what was the game about, again? I seem to have missed the part where... well, the whole story actually, if it had any.

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I never got though half-life so I have no idea what the heck is goin' on, really. I think it has to do with, um, the man, things and. . .stuff? <_<

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Well, for those that claim they didn't have problems with HL2 & STEAM, I congratulate you. That hasn't been my experience. I'm sorry, but I still feel ripped off. I will not buy another STEAM game & will strenuously advise people to do the same. eventually, valve will get the point, or they will go the way of iply. There are only so many users with broadband, & a helluva lot more who have dialup & will continue to have dialup for the forseeable future. It's never good business practice to alienate a sizable portion of your potential customer base...

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I never got though half-life so I have no idea what the heck is goin' on, really. I think it has to do with, um, the man, things and. . .stuff?  <_<

Heh, that's what I thought too. It's not like the original Half-Life had the deepest story ever, but it was enough for a FPS. It seems they spent all of the $40M in tech gimmicks (and the fabled Steam) and they found themselves with no money left to pay a good storywriter. Quite disappointing. <_<

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From what I understand, Half-Life 2 was completely self-financed by Valve.

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The backstory seems unfinished to me. I'm sure Valve was thinking something along the lines of, "hey, let's leave the backstory hanging so we have a built in sequel." As I understand it, HL2 sold quite well, and so we can undoubtedly count on HL3. I don't think this is expansion pack material. I feel pretty confident that they'll make another full package.

That's relevant simply because the story in HL2 might not be a vital part of the overall backstory. There's a lot of explaining to do. I thought the whole savior thing was interesting, and the setting was quite well done. Nevertheless, there were more questions than answers at the end. I'm pretty confident that we could use conjecture to figure out what's going to happen, but I'd rather just buy the next game.

Along with everyone else, I won't be happy if it includes Steam. Taken together, I'm happy with the whole package, but that's despite Steam rather than because of it.

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There are only so many users with broadband, & a helluva lot more who have dialup & will continue to have dialup for the forseeable future. It's never good business practice to alienate a sizable portion of your potential customer base...

It really sounds to me like you are speculating about this. How do you know how dialup users will 'continue to have dialup for the forseeable future'? I see the opposite as broadband prices are at an all-time low. Around me it only costs like 5 dollars more a month for DSL over dialup. Many neighbors I know have it for that very reason. Do you have any figures to back up the claim that a majority of people still use dialup? I won't dispute your claim simply because I have no concrete evidence to refute it, but in my experiences an overwhelming majority of people/familes I know have some form of broadband. And I can only expect this to grow in the future. But show me some evidence supporting you're claim and I'll gladly concede the point. :devil:

I only argue this because I don't think Valve made a blunder by expecting people to have some kind of broadband.

As for the story: I actually enjoyed it. I rarely play a game that allows me to slip into the story and get immersed so much. I have an overactive imagination, and I don't like being bludgeoned over the head with explanations and stuff in a game. For example, I saw that some people really hated how no one told Gordon what happened in the years before his arrival, but it would have only made sense that they would assume he knew what happened. I mean, look at it from the NPC's perspective. He's Gordon Freeman. A legend. He started this whole thing. Of course he knows what happened. If Valve gave some stupid explanation to the events of the past then it would have ruined the immersion. The acted exactly as it should have in order to keep the immersion level up. Same thing with the rest of the story. Nothing is told to you outright, you have to figure it out just like Gordon has to do. I like stories like that.

But you know what? This is pointless. Arguing over whether or not the story was good will be fruitless. It's totally a subjective thing, much like music. We can sit here and argue about whether or not the story was up to par until the cows come home and none of us will change their opinion. I just wanted to get my views up. Oh, and I've been told that HL3 is a definite thing, although my 'source' was someone on IRC, so take that with a grain of salt. Dunno if they would immediately start working on it, though. :D

@DesertHawk: Awww! You didn't like Ravenholm?! But it was so much fun! I like being scared in games, though. I was so immersed into the game by this point that I almost dreaded going on in some parts. That's awesome that a game can do that, in my opinion. But to each his own. :)

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Certain cities are starting to provide free wireless internet for their citizens, or wireless broadband at cheap rates ($19.99/mo).

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The backstory seems unfinished to me.  I'm sure Valve was thinking something along the lines of, "hey, let's leave the backstory hanging so we have a built in sequel."  As I understand it, HL2 sold quite well, and so we can undoubtedly count on HL3.  I don't think this is expansion pack material.  I feel pretty confident that they'll make another full package.

That's relevant simply because the story in HL2 might not be a vital part of the overall backstory.  There's a lot of explaining to do.  I thought the whole savior thing was interesting, and the setting was quite well done.  Nevertheless, there were more questions than answers at the end.  I'm pretty confident that we could use conjecture to figure out what's going to happen, but I'd rather just buy the next game.

Yep. It seems pretty obvious they were aiming for a sequel. But that still doesn't justify they don't explain a damn thing. And I'm not referring to what happened while Gordon was away or who are 'our benefactors'. No, I'm referring to basic things like 'and why should I risk my neck going through the next soldier-infested area?'. At the beginning of the game you were being pursued and it made some sense, but after you escape you aren't given a single damn good reason as to why do what you are doing.

Now on a personal note, I would have loved it if Cpl. Adrian Shepard had made an appearance. It only made sense since most of the characters from the first game were in HL2. Perhaps the devs were worried that he might kick so much more ass than Freeman and the audience might not like that... :p

I for one won't be buying that supposed sequel thanks to the fiasco HL2 has been for me. :)

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Half-Life Source looks worse than the Original with the High Definition Pack.

Judge yourself !

The Beauty: Original Half-Life with HD Pack

and the Beast: Half-Life Source




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