Craftsman Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 At our current rate, is humanity just on the way to destruction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Of course it will whether by evolution or total destruction. It's only the time frame in which it will happens that is in question. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOTORFanactic Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Yep (w00t) I mean, eventually, we will travel to other planets, but the humans that colonize the new planets will evolve according to the nature of the planet. so would they be human after all that time? (i.e. settle on a desert planet, start to look more like camels, large nostrils, massive eyelashes, big hump thing to store water, they would be much thinner due to less fat.) So in the end, as soon as Earth is destroyed (one way or another) humanities doom is certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgenaut Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 The drake equation (a tool for guessing the amount of alien civilizations in our galaxy) has a variable L, which means the average lifetime of a civilization. How long is such a lifetime? Do increased technological advances pose a threat when social and humanistic advances stagnate? Only time will tell. However, if we let money be the ultimate motive to everything we do, we will burn in about 5 billion years when the sun swallows our planet. Space exploration isn't economical (unless we stripmine Mercury and Mars). All things have an end, except for the sausage, for it has two. "You have offended my family, and you have offended the Shaolin temple." Bruce Lee, Enter the Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantousent Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 We only know what we can perceive. Since our perception tells us all things are fleeting, then it is inevitible that humanity will some day perish. Does that matter? The nihilists will say that it doesn't make any difference anyhow... that we're only individuals and that anything we leave behind has nothing to do with us after we're dead. This is undoubtedly true in the strictest sense. I have a different belief, however. There are two possibilities after we die: either we simply cease to exist or we exist in some other fashion. To those who argue most strenuously that death is the end and that it's foolish to suggest otherwise, I will simply smile and nod. I don't begrudge them their belief. I tire of the notion that belief is somehow equivalent to ignorance, but I'm not going to pick that fight. I look far less ignorant in being willing to accept that there is an opposing view anyhow. On the other hand, acting and living within the confines of my personal code, which carries with it the conviction of eternal life, does no harm to others around me. I cannot answer for what others are willing to do under the pretext of religion. I can only answer for myself and what I argue are the genuine tenets of my faith. With all that stated up front, I seem to be a pretty popular fellow. Indeed, if I'm to judge by my friends (a truly eclectic bunch of folks comprised of a wide array from staunch atheists to devout fundamentalist Christians) then I can only assume that my religion hasn't hurt my interpersonal skills in the least. In that case, I suggest that our belief or lack thereof doesn't make us incompatible. In other words, if we simply die or if we transcend, we can still live honorably and well on Earth. So, to the original question... I'm sure humanity will die, but it doesn't matter. Humanity is not likely to perish during our lifetimes and, atheist or Christian, its ultimate demise is far less important than the here and now. *** I'd like to note that I don't speak as anything other than a Christian and a Catholic. There are a variety of religious (or at least spiritualist) beliefs concerning an afterlife. I merely use the term transcend as a convenient way to wrap disparate beliefs into one package. Since we're a bunch of geeks talking on a message board, I figure I can be forgiven trying to keep the argument simple. Fionavar's Holliday Wishes to all members of our online community: Happy Holidays Join the revelry at the Obsidian Plays channel:Obsidian Plays Remembering tarna, Phosphor, Metadigital, and Visceris. Drink mead heartily in the halls of Valhalla, my friends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Product of the Cosmos Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 At our current rate, is humanity just on the way to destruction? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> At our current rate IMO we are destroying a lot, but not approaching total destruction quite yet. If that indeed is what were meant for. Soon(next 5-20 years) will have to be some of the biggest changes in our societal structure for many centuries, or destruction may be our end. If the Truth about some things comes out. There is no question a revolution will occur IMO. I'm just hopin the truth comes out.. lol. Because at heart IMO humans are decent people and don't deserve to be weeded out by natural selection through such a hasty way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oherror Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 yes...the question is when... ....when ever i can jump start a nuke war.....jk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sirius Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Well the suns gonna super nova sometime ............. :D And pretty much doubtless unless we all learn to get along. Unless its a natural disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deganawida Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Minor correction: Sol doesn't have enough mass to go super nova. It will, however, go nova. It will still wipe out the earth and most of the solar system when it does go nova. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgenaut Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Minor correction: Sol doesn't have enough mass to go super nova. It will, however, go nova. It will still wipe out the earth and most of the solar system when it does go nova. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Another minor correction: Before it goes nova, it will have become a red giant, expanding out and swallowing the earth. :D "You have offended my family, and you have offended the Shaolin temple." Bruce Lee, Enter the Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deganawida Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 D'oh! Forgot about that part! The red giant will swallow everything up to Mars, right? It's been a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TentamusDarkblade Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 check this site out for all your end of the world needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weiser_Cain Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 I have the perfect solution, space travel. That way we can breed and expand at a rate that hopefully exceeds our growing rate of destruction. Yaw devs, Yaw!!! ( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKing Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 It all depends on who wins the next US election, I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opus131 Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 I tire of the notion that belief is somehow equivalent to ignorance It's not the believing that denotes ignorance, it's the nature of your beleif. I can live with the notion of an after life of sort, but i despise the convinction behind arbitrary dogmas which are nothing but figments of our own wishful imagination and yet it's blindly accept as 'truth', without doubt nor reason, plus the inherent hateful arrogance and intollerance (wheter open in criticism or merely condiscending) the doctrine manifests against none beleivers. Beleive all you want, but religion simply needs to die... Opus131 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weiser_Cain Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 I don't believe there is an afterlife. I also don't think that anyone with strong religious beliefs should be in a topic like this. Yaw devs, Yaw!!! ( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkan Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 check this site out for all your end of the world needs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was going to post this, butthole! " Exit Mundi is an awesome (if a bit unbelievable) site. Good to see someone else knows of it. "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." - Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials "I have also been slowly coming to the realisation that knowledge and happiness are not necessarily coincident, and quite often mutually exclusive" - meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkan Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 check this site out for all your end of the world needs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was going to post this, butthole! " Exit Mundi is an awesome (if a bit unbelievable) site. Good to see someone else knows of it. "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." - Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials "I have also been slowly coming to the realisation that knowledge and happiness are not necessarily coincident, and quite often mutually exclusive" - meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantousent Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Beleive all you want, but religion simply needs to die... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> good luck killing it. Fionavar's Holliday Wishes to all members of our online community: Happy Holidays Join the revelry at the Obsidian Plays channel:Obsidian Plays Remembering tarna, Phosphor, Metadigital, and Visceris. Drink mead heartily in the halls of Valhalla, my friends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TentamusDarkblade Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 check this site out for all your end of the world needs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was going to post this, butthole! " Exit Mundi is an awesome (if a bit unbelievable) site. Good to see someone else knows of it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i enjoy the fact that the first half of each description sells you on the end of the world event...then the last half totally debunks it. fair and balanced paranoia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 I think we'll probably come close to extinction sooner rather than later. I'm just waiting for the old supervolcano under Yellowstone to pop it's cork, and residents of planet Earth are going to have a bad day. Some scientists believe humankind came close to extinction when Toba erupted 74,000 years ago, and Yellowstone is an order of magnitude larger. As for escaping to (or colonising) other worlds - we'd better hurry up and do something about it before we've stripped all the resources from this planet and basically stranded ourself through lack of materials. At the very least we should have our eyes on the asteroid belt and exploiting it for raw materials. While I do think we should 'tread carefully' when it comes to planetary exploration (especially in terms of any kinds of resident life forms - we should not interfere and unbalance potential ecosystems) we will have to exploit the resources of other worlds in order to expand and give ourselves a better chance for survival. In that regard we might become more like the roving 'parasitic' aliens in the film Independence Day. And as others have suggested, genetic manipulation could mean we simply reinvent ourselves and adapt to survive in the environments of other planets - rather than trying to 'terraform' them. However it transpires, we still need to make that 'first step' to another planet, but also look more carefully at setting up 'supply lines' to aid in extending our reach initially throughout the solar system, and then further afield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craftsman Posted October 30, 2004 Author Share Posted October 30, 2004 Opus131 why does religion need to die? A man walked was walking with a Priest and said "Religion is useless. Look at all the worlds problems. It has solved nothing" The priest didnt reply but kept on walking. They came across a poor man, who was dirty as had not washed for days. The priest got out a bar of soap and said to the man "To the athiest, religion is like a of soup. It tastes sour and discusting when eaten, but it is not being used corretly. It is for washing so that we may be clean." He gave the soap to the poor man. "In the same way if religion was applied properly, as it was meant to bethere would be no troubles. Instead our human pride has caused us to look beyond the problem, in which we are to blame, and to blame something else." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkan Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Opus131 why does religion need to die? A man walked was walking with a Priest and said "Religion is useless. Look at all the worlds problems. It has solved nothing" The priest didnt reply but kept on walking. They came across a poor man, who was dirty as had not washed for days. The priest got out a bar of soap and said to the man "To the athiest, religion is like a of soup. It tastes sour and discusting when eaten, but it is not being used corretly. It is for washing so that we may be clean." He gave the soap to the poor man. "In the same way if religion was applied properly, as it was meant to bethere would be no troubles. Instead our human pride has caused us to look beyond the problem, in which we are to blame, and to blame something else." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That doesn't even make sense. "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." - Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials "I have also been slowly coming to the realisation that knowledge and happiness are not necessarily coincident, and quite often mutually exclusive" - meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althernai Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Beleive all you want, but religion simply needs to die... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ah, but it cannot die -- not while you are incapable of presenting a rigorous proof of the fact that people's beliefs are wrong. Many human beings are optimists; if it cannot be shown that there is no afterlife, afterlives will be believed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramza Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 To the thread's question: "Yes, it will... it will die by my very own hands..." "Ooo, squirrels, Boo! I know I saw them! Quick, throw nuts!" -Minsc "I am a well-known racist in the Realms! Elves? Dwarves? Ha! Kill'em all! Humans rule! -Me Volourn will never grow up, he's like the Black Peter Pan, here to tell you that it might be great to always be a child, but everybody around is gonna hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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