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24 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

No the purpose of the " backdoor " is different, one is for national security and the other is for cyber-espionage

Yeah, hey, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell to you, if you like. Once in a lifetime investment, really. :yes:

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44 minutes ago, majestic said:

Yeah, hey, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell to you, if you like. Once in a lifetime investment, really. :yes:

Can I ask you a legitimate question? China is a  one party state with no freedom of speech, free media, transparent legal system, independent courts and  no human rights concerns and you have no legal recourse within China against the CCP

Countries like the EU and the USA are the opposite of this except for times of war or National security but even then citizens do generally have rights

Do you not see a  difference and feel much more concerned about a backdoor created by the US NSA and the CCP because of these real distinctions?

 

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2 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Do you not see a  difference and feel much more concerned about a backdoor created by the US NSA and the CCP because of these real distinctions?

I'm not more concerned about an NSA backdoor than I am about a Chinese one. From an outsider's point of view, there is no difference at all.

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12 minutes ago, majestic said:

I'm not more concerned about an NSA backdoor than I am about a Chinese one. From an outsider's point of view, there is no difference at all.

But what if the Chinese install killallnerds.exe and replace Sailor Moon with The Leader?

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8 minutes ago, KP the meanie zucchini said:

But what if the Chinese install killallnerds.exe and replace Sailor Moon with The Leader?

Then there's no Sailor Moon any more, which would be incredibly tragic, but it beats UseDroneToBlowUpMyWedding.exe by a long shot. :yes:

Just a matter of perspecitve, I guess. When you're in the US and the only thing you need to worry about is NSA goons IM'ing themselves your nude pictures, perhaps that's a tad different from other locations on the planet. Maybe. But what do I know. :p

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10 minutes ago, majestic said:

Then there's no Sailor Moon any more, which would be incredibly tragic, but it beats UseDroneToBlowUpMyWedding.exe by a long shot. :yes:

Just a matter of perspecitve, I guess. When you're in the US and the only thing you need to worry about is NSA goons IM'ing themselves your nude pictures, perhaps that's a tad different from other locations on the planet. Maybe. But what do I know. :p

I guess you don't want your wedding to be a blast.

More to the point, the US government likes to spy on activists (particularly environmental) and does have a record of imprisoning such people. I've known someone to have gotten a visit from the feds for Twitter posts. So phones are very much a cop and you should not trust them.

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Silly little cartoon, but made me really consider the idea that solar power is really the only thing that can actually grant you power autonomy on a long-term basis. Everything else, 99.99% of people are dependent on corporations' (or governments') infrastructure and logistical capabilities and having those entities keeping that entire system running. While solar power may still require acquiring and getting the actual tech up and running, it's really the only thing your average home-owning person can do to make themselves less dependent on that system. Where it makes sense and where local governments don't try to restrict it, of course. Couldn't help but think back to @Guard Dog and his previously mentioned use of solar power, and it was like, yeah, okay, I kind of get it now.

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On 9/21/2021 at 6:44 AM, BruceVC said:

Also it doesnt matter if civilians are killed

Good to see the masks are finally coming off

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12 minutes ago, Malcador said:

If you're not doing anything wrong, don't fear the Reaper. 

Have a cover, then!

 

11 minutes ago, KP the meanie zucchini said:

More to the point, the US government likes to spy on activists (particularly environmental) and does have a record of imprisoning such people. I've known someone to have gotten a visit from the feds for Twitter posts. So phones are very much a cop and you should not trust them.

But KP surely you must see that this was for the good of the US ! Their's nothing wrong with that. Just imagine being abducted by unmarked vans like in China !

3 minutes ago, HoonDing said:

Good to see the masks are finally coming off


Those came off a long time ago for Captain Fascist here.

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Have a cover, then!

 

But KP surely you must see that this was for the good of the US ! Their's nothing wrong with that. Just imagine being abducted by unmarked vans like in China !

 

Okay, for linking that you need to be droned!

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22 minutes ago, Bartimaeus said:
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 Couldn't help but think back to @Guard Dog and his previously mentioned use of solar power, and it was like, yeah, okay, I kind of get it now.

In the winter months I don’t have an electric bill. If I had a regular power company I would actually be selling power to them. Unfortunately it’s a co-op so no check for me. The only thing that sucks is dealing with the batteries. But it really depends on how far you want to go down the rabbit hole. I went pretty deep.

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52 minutes ago, HoonDing said:

Good to see the masks are finally coming off

Hoonding its rude  to misquote people and I know how much you hate being rude :teehee:

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The funny thing is that Xiaomi probably does have residual censorship software on it, since it is a requirement for them being sold in China. But that's to prevent Chinese people doing things like compare Xi to a chubby fictional ursine or sharing pictures of tank man, not to delete a Lithuanian's A A Milne collection and it's pretty much certain that they simply cannot do that outside of China. They've got plenty of utterly counterproductive wumao shouty men to complain about the Winnie the Pooh comparisons in the western internet instead.

That's both low practical effect and extremely low exposure compared to all the backdoors US companies have in them. You can barely buy a chip without a built in NSA backdoor now- eg IME/ PSP for Intel/ AMD- nor networking gear, and pretty much the sole reason for Windows 11 existing is to force default adoption of the thoroughly compromised TPM in the name of 'security'. OK, that last one is also largely to give MS the ability to vet everything on your computer which has a commercial purpose too, but you can readily guess who will be piggybacking that capability and it won't be PLA Unit 61398. Until they inevitably hack either the NSA (as the Russians did, and for which you can thank most of the spate of ransomware attacks that use filched NSA tools) or the backdoors directly, at least, and assuming they haven't already.

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2 minutes ago, Hurlsnot said:

Does anyone else think that Hoonding is really just JESawyer's burner account?

I do know.

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"I won't say what just in case KaineParker is reading" - Bartimaeus

"Oh no! Is there super secret ending as well? I don’t care." - Wormerine

"Get some poor minorities, that keeps WASPs away easy." - Malcador

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9 hours ago, KP the meanie zucchini said:

But what if the Chinese install killallnerds.exe and replace Sailor Moon with The Leader?

Real life is not Cold War 1.0 propaganda.

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The downside of working only 40 hour work weeks, too much time to read news related stuff and watch youtube 😝

 

Edit: This is from '60 Minutes' (Australia)

 

 

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8 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

The funny thing is that Xiaomi probably does have residual censorship software on it, since it is a requirement for them being sold in China. But that's to prevent Chinese people doing things like compare Xi to a chubby fictional ursine or sharing pictures of tank man, not to delete a Lithuanian's A A Milne collection and it's pretty much certain that they simply cannot do that outside of China. They've got plenty of utterly counterproductive wumao shouty men to complain about the Winnie the Pooh comparisons in the western internet instead.

That's both low practical effect and extremely low exposure compared to all the backdoors US companies have in them. You can barely buy a chip without a built in NSA backdoor now- eg IME/ PSP for Intel/ AMD- nor networking gear, and pretty much the sole reason for Windows 11 existing is to force default adoption of the thoroughly compromised TPM in the name of 'security'. OK, that last one is also largely to give MS the ability to vet everything on your computer which has a commercial purpose too, but you can readily guess who will be piggybacking that capability and it won't be PLA Unit 61398. Until they inevitably hack either the NSA (as the Russians did, and for which you can thank most of the spate of ransomware attacks that use filched NSA tools) or the backdoors directly, at least, and assuming they haven't already.

This has got to  be one of the only US based forums where people can suggest the US is a more repressive society than China and the CCP control of their media and IT  narrative  state is " because the CCP dont like unflattering pictures of Xi " and no one really cares :lol:

But I did get a good laugh so thanks Zora and I appreciate that because its a public holiday in SA

And you  know the litmus test for unabashed CCP propaganda and spin, when Comrade likes your post so thanks for confirming again your ideological views. Dont ever change :thumbsup:
 

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"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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6 hours ago, Hurlsnot said:

Does anyone else think that Hoonding is really just JESawyer's burner account?

I dont know about that but he does have good sense of humor when he tries to invoke a reaction 

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"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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15 hours ago, BruceVC said:

This has got to  be one of the only US based forums where people can suggest the US is a more repressive society than China and the CCP control of their media and IT  narrative  state is " because the CCP dont like unflattering pictures of Xi " and no one really cares :lol:

But I did get a good laugh so thanks Zora and I appreciate that because its a public holiday in SA

And you  know the litmus test for unabashed CCP propaganda and spin, when Comrade likes your post so thanks for confirming again your ideological views. Dont ever change :thumbsup:
 

Few people living in the United States have a real UNDERSTANDING of the United States. Most of them run with an expand on ideas they heard from somewhere else. Despite the evidence of their own eyes. Hell even I’ve fallen into that trap from time to time.

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Except nobody at all was suggesting that the US is a more repressive state than China, that's just Bruce being his disingenous self.

Not being fine with giving our Corporate Overlords the ability to assume direct control over our computers (which is what Zoraptor expressed, in part) has nothing to do with approving repressive policies or genocide. Here's the one time the slippery slope argument makes sense, and nobody's using it because "China way worse" - which is really true, but by far and large also irrelevant to criticisms of US espionage and security equipment compromising backdoors.

Like I said, I don't want Microsoft to be able to restrict what I can do on my computers. I also don't want to live in China, and I don't approve of their politics. These are not mutually exclusive.

Also, wat, how are you of all people not concerned about the government's ability to spy on you willy nilly, or dicate what you can or cannot do on any electronic device you have? Do you trust them to not abuse the ability to do so? Bruce sure does. I don't... nobody should.

Unless I misread you, then I apologize in advance.

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