Elric Galad Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 (edited) Talent Name Fighter Paladin Barbarian Monk Rogue Ranger Cipher Chanter Wizard Druid Priest Tier 1 Fast Runner x x x /4 x x / / / x / Arms Bearer Every Class gets it Monastic Unarmed Training x x x /4 x x x / / / x Tier 2 One-Handed Style Every Class gets it Two Handed Style Every Class gets it Two Weapon Style Every Class gets it Weapon and Shield Style Every Class gets it Tier 3 Combat Focus Every Class gets it Bull's Will x x x x x x / 2 x x x x Bear's Fortitude Every Class gets it Snake's Reflex Every Class gets it Tier 4 Tumbling x / x x x x x / / / / Spirit of Decay / / / / / / / / x x x Scion of Flame / x / / / / / / x x x 3 Heart of the Storm / / / / / / / / x x x Secrets of Rime / / / / / / / / x x /3 Spell Shaping / / / / / / / x x x x Tier 5 Tough Every Class gets it Uncanny Luck x x x x x x x x x / / Rapid Casting / / / / / / x x x x x Far Casting / / / / / / x / x x x Practiced Healer / x / / / x / / / x x Tier 6 Improved Critical Every Class gets it Spell Resistance Every Class gets it Quick Summoning / / / / / / / x x x5 x Martial Casting / / / / / / / / x x x Tier 7 Penetrating Empower Every Class gets it1 Lasting Empower Every Class gets it1 Accurate Empower Every Class gets it1 Potent Empower Every Class gets it1 Tier 8 Great Soul Every Class gets it1 Tier 9 Prestige Every Class gets it Notes : 1 : Blood Mage can't get Empower Talents 2 : Cipher gets Iron Will at Tier 1, which is a better version of Bull's Will 3 : Priest of Rymrgand has access to Secrets of Rime instead of Scion of Flame 4 : Monk has no monastic unarmed training, but gets Transcendant Suffering for free. Monk has no fast runner but gets long strike and Graceful Retreat at Tier 2 instead. 5 : Lifegivers do get Quick Summoning. Edited August 11, 2021 by Elric Galad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not So Clever Hound Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 26 minutes ago, Elric Galad said: 5 : I suppose that Lifegivers don't get Quick Summoning (to be checked) Lifegivers can actually pick this ability. It is not removed from the Druid table. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric Galad Posted August 9, 2021 Author Share Posted August 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Not So Clever Hound said: Lifegivers can actually pick this ability. It is not removed from the Druid table. Great... Does it have any use ? Does it work with Monk twins ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not So Clever Hound Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 18 minutes ago, Elric Galad said: Great... Does it have any use ? Does it work with Monk twins ? Well, not for a SC Lifegiver but you can use it on other summons if you multi with Wizard, Chanter etc. I haven't tested with The Dichotomous Soul specifically but it should indeed work: Quick Summoning does this: Self: +15% Action Speed with Summoned Creature Spells And The Dichotomous Soul is tagged with Summoned Creature. So it should get the bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric Galad Posted August 9, 2021 Author Share Posted August 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, Not So Clever Hound said: Well, not for a SC Lifegiver but you can use it on other summons if you multi with Wizard, Chanter etc. I haven't tested with The Dichotomous Soul specifically but it should indeed work: Quick Summoning does this: Self: +15% Action Speed with Summoned Creature Spells And The Dichotomous Soul is tagged with Summoned Creature. So it should get the bonus. But is not a spell Wizard and Chanter get the talent. So apart picking it on a level with Mandatory druid pick, it doesn't matter much. Tricks with the above table : - Picking Iron Will and Bull's Will with a Cipher multiclass - Picking Long Stride and Fast Runner with some Monk multiclass - Picking Practiced healer with your Ranger with Chanter multiclass (does not get the talent). Who is gonna pick Practiced Healer with a Ranger ? etc... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not So Clever Hound Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, Elric Galad said: But is not a spell Yes I actually built a toon to test: neither Quick Summoning nor Rapid Casting work with Dichotomous Souls. I stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric Galad Posted August 9, 2021 Author Share Posted August 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, Not So Clever Hound said: Yes I actually built a toon to test: neither Quick Summoning nor Rapid Casting work with Dichotomous Souls. I stand corrected. It's like law, every word matters. Except somtimes words are also buggy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not So Clever Hound Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 It sounds like Deadfire's gamecode is the perfect offspring of Woedica and Wael . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric Galad Posted August 9, 2021 Author Share Posted August 9, 2021 I suppose it does not work with Ghostheart either. Would have been the most marginally useful ability of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgray62 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Doesn't cipher get MUT too? I could have sworn that they get this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Cipher does have access to Monastic Unarmed Training. 1 Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric Galad Posted August 9, 2021 Author Share Posted August 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, Boeroer said: Cipher does have access to Monastic Unarmed Training. Always has been 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelee Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 It never really made sense to me why Uncanny Luck is missing from just druid and priest. Especially druid, who is expected to do some offensive action or martial-ing. Priest I can sort of get if the designers thought priest would just be casting buffs all the time, but Uncanny Luck has almost universal (small) utility just from the hard resist chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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