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21 minutes ago, Pidesco said:

My contract is 5 euro cents. Here it varies depending on your contract. There are also some heavy taxes on top of that, especially if you own the building for which you have your contract.

Does that include transfer or do you pay it separately to company maintaining electrical grid?

Like I pay for electricity 0,04€/kWh, but then I pay 0.06€/kWh for transfer plus 4€ per month as base price.

It is so nice that you can bid price of electricity (and get that 0.01€/kWh cheaper electricity), but with transfer, grid maintain company has monopoly so there is nothing you can do except to move area where grid is controlled by another company 

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36 minutes ago, Elerond said:

Does that include transfer or do you pay it separately to company maintaining electrical grid?

Like I pay for electricity 0,04€/kWh, but then I pay 0.06€/kWh for transfer plus 4€ per month as base price.

It is so nice that you can bid price of electricity (and get that 0.01€/kWh cheaper electricity), but with transfer, grid maintain company has monopoly so there is nothing you can do except to move area where grid is controlled by another company 

It doesn't include transfer. That was the first shock when I bought a house here in Sweden, but oh well. still beats paying rent around these parts.

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5 hours ago, Pidesco said:

Ok, all this talk of utilities cost can't be right. Are you sure you are not talking about SEK instead of euros?

I'm paying 349 SEK monthly, so more or less 35 euros for my 250Mb fiber internet, although that's with a discount. Without the discount the same service would cost 50 euros.

As for my electricity bill, which includes heating, the last monthly bill was for 2500 SEK(250 euros)which is a lot by my standards, but keep in mind that I keep the at temp around 23 degrees during the day, and the central heating is powered by a decades old electric heater. Also, this has been the coldest weather(-16C today) I've had since I live in this house.

Yeah, everything I have runs on electricity here, water pump, heating, water heating, I've also got electricity keeping my water pipes from freezing. I've got two heatpumps, both are set to 23 degrees, not that it reaches above 18C, so they're almost constantly working.

16000 kronor, or thereabout. For the last months period I used 4003KWh. Edit; I think, Vattenfalls site gives me headache if I'm not pumped full of coffee

Keep in mind, my house is on a stone foundation with holes in it to prevent rot, the floorboards are insulated by their thickness basically on the bottom floor, if there's wind you can feel it around your feet.

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7 minutes ago, Azdeus said:

Yeah, everything I have runs on electricity here, water pump, heating, water heating, I've also got electricity keeping my water pipes from freezing. I've got two heatpumps, both are set to 23 degrees, not that it reaches above 18C, so they're almost constantly working.

16000 kronor, or thereabout. For the last months period I used 4003KWh. Edit; I think, Vattenfalls site gives me headache if I'm not pumped full of coffee

Keep in mind, my house is on a stone foundation with holes in it to prevent rot, the floorboards are insulated by their thickness basically on the bottom floor, if there's wind you can feel it around your feet.

That's a lot of electricity. Last month I used 3132 KWh. I guess your house's insulation truly is godawful. My house isn't as ancient as yours but it is still 60 years old and the walls haven't been fully renovated since, so my house isn't exactly well insulated. It does have a new roof and good windows, though.

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15 minutes ago, Pidesco said:

That's a lot of electricity. Last month I used 3132 KWh. I guess your house's insulation truly is godawful. My house isn't as ancient as yours but it is still 60 years old and the walls haven't been fully renovated since, so my house isn't exactly well insulated. It does have a new roof and good windows, though.

There's some debate about exactly how old the house is, but the official papers says it's from 1799. The roof is new, but there's only so much the roof can do when the four walls don't really hold up.

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Philippines' Duterte tells U.S. 'you have to pay' if it wants to keep troop deal (msn.com)

I was wondering what happened to Duterte!  The crazy man in the Philippines.  Love him or hate him he's definitely a leader. 

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13 hours ago, Pidesco said:

That's a lot of electricity. Last month I used 3132 KWh. I guess your house's insulation truly is godawful. My house isn't as ancient as yours but it is still 60 years old and the walls haven't been fully renovated since, so my house isn't exactly well insulated. It does have a new roof and good windows, though.

Wow. I just looked at our electricity bill and for the last quarter (90 days), we used 1241.8 kWh. In two months, you would use more than what we use in a year. My gf and I often think we use too much electricity and looking at solar panels to offset our electricity.

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1 hour ago, ShadySands said:

We're looking at solar panels as well but they're pricier than I expected

This is a huge discussion and objective for many families in SA, the reality is it will always be a big investment in the beginning to go solar. I have a few  friends who went  this route so I can make a SA  comparison in Rands  to explain the increased costs but benefits in the long term

Normal electricity costs for one of  my friends and family per  month was about R2500. He installed solar panels  and connected  to them  cleverly with an App that allows him to control their  availability and monitor stored energy. The final cost to this was about R70,000 

But you can reduce your overall usage off the grid per month by 80 % and when we have nation wide load shedding his house is not impacted at all. But the real benefits are in the sustained long term savings. So even though their is this huge initial cost 70 K against the 2.5 k monthly payment you will definitely save money in the long term and the solar investment will pay itself off 

You just need that initial  large amount of money 

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5 hours ago, Hiro Protagonist said:

Wow. I just looked at our electricity bill and for the last quarter (90 days), we used 1241.8 kWh. In two months, you would use more than what we use in a year. My gf and I often think we use too much electricity and looking at solar panels to offset our electricity.

Heating is very power hungry, especially if there is no insulation in the house.

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1 hour ago, Sarex said:

Heating is very power hungry, especially if there is no insulation in the house.

Very much this. I shaved quite a bit of my bill by getting heat exchangers.

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What's that heating thing you people are talking about? 🤔

 

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8 hours ago, Gorth said:

What's that heating thing you people are talking about? 🤔

An overpriced GPU!

Now let's hit the topic:

How Chinese infrastructure is reshaping the planet | Salon.com

Very interesting article from Salon, they are like the only mainstream Western news source that's even remotely credible.

To summarize:  China's policies are effective but too authoritarian, so if the west wants to maintain it's role as planet leader it's going to have to compete and compete hard, and offer people a solid sensical alternative to growing Chinese influence.

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Good old Recep Tayyip Erdogan going a bit mental at everyone having completely asterisked up a hostage rescue operation*. It's everyone's fault apart from his, especially his domestic Kurdish political enemies and the US. Probably Gulen, Israel, Iraq, students, gays, Syrian refugees, Greece, Armenia and Iran too. Coincidentally Turkey's economy is going down the gurgler as the funny money fiscal policy and building bubble burst, and he's getting publicly bent over by China over vaccine supply and being forced to abandon support for the Uighurs, not exactly a great look for someone who has tried to make themself the poster child for pan Turkism (despite Erdogan being ethnic Georgian, not Turkic, himself).

Ultimately that's the problem with using military adventurism to boost popularity artificially- it's temporary, so you have to do it semi constantly with diminishing returns; and if things don't work out as you want it has the reverse effect and you lose popularity. He'll probably try and ban the domestic Kurdish party soon, though overall that shouldn't have too much effect since HDP voters will 99% go for CHP over the pro Erdogan alternatives.

*while the headline says the victims were civilians, as claimed by Turkey, they were definitely non civilian police and army personnel. And there are a lot of rumours that the hostages were not executed but died either in a drone strike or during fighting. After all they had been held long term without execution prior to this.

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(e): whoops, wrong thread but it's a stupid meme not worth posting over in the US thread too

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On 2/13/2021 at 3:46 PM, ShadySands said:

We're looking at solar panels as well but they're pricier than I expected

Been doing quite a bit of research. The solar panel company that we're going with was just here running through the numbers. We didn't need a big inverter system and we don't have a lot of roof space so went with what we have. It's a $5000 system and will pay itself off in 3 1/2 years. We'll be going ahead and saving 75% off our electricity costs. Will be good to pay around $100 per quarter (approx $30 per month) instead of $450 per quarter for our electricity.

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On 2/13/2021 at 9:19 PM, ComradeMaster said:

An overpriced GPU!

I wasn't joking when I said that my choice of GPU was affected by heating :p

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15 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

 (despite Erdogan being ethnic Georgian, not Turkic, himself).

So was Stalin and Beria. Makes you wonder if there is something in the water... 🤔

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11 hours ago, Elerond said:

Isn't that wrong way, I mean your choice of heating should be effected by your GPU 😋

I need to keep warm! A 300W card plus 200-ish W cpu going full tilt can raise the temperature a fair bit around my computer :p Folding at Home FTW

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If you're getting your news from Facebook then you're doing it wrong. This is a good thing. In reality, it's a case of Facebook having a tantrum and the Australian Government isn't budging one inch. But it is funny to see Facebook cancel a country and wipe out everything.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Hiro Protagonist said:

Facebook just cancelled Australia globally with any and ALL news from Australia regardless of what that 'news' may be. Whether it be blogs, government agencies - EVERYTHING.

LMAO.

 

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perhaps mark zuckerberg just saw the cars that ate paris (1974)?

lord knows we have yet to forgive peter weir and australia since the mid 70s.

HA! Good Fun!

ps ain't actual a facebook tantrum. australia wants facebook to pay every time an australian created news product is viewed or linked. so...

 

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