Guard Dog Posted June 7, 2021 Author Share Posted June 7, 2021 49 minutes ago, BruceVC said: What didnt you enjoy about it ? I remember a couple of glaring historical inaccuracies. I’m kind of a history snob when it comes to the movies. I expect them to get it right and they seldom do. It was a beautiful movie to look at. Cinematography, the cast, all that was great. The plot was a little convoluted and sort of didn’t make a lot of sense but even that I can overlook. But when the US Army is using the wrong type of weapons, the wrong tactics, even combat taking place in the wrong freaking places I can’t get past it. actually I had the same complaint with saving Private Ryan. The Normandy Landing that they depicted was great. Very well done. Stressful just to watch it. But the whole idea of sending a squad of men led by a company commander no less in the middle of the first weeks of the invasion just would never happen. And the premise behind the last battle and the strategic importance of a bridge that was less than 20 foot long. The Wehrmacht corps of engineers could have had that river bridged in a few hours. In the airborne would not have fought to defend it. The moment the first German column was sighted they would’ve evacuated across the river and blown the bridge then set up a defense to attack any of the engineers that tried to repair/bridge the gap. hey I get it it makes for great drama and movies. But it irks me. The funny thing is the war movies I thought were the best ones were the most historically accurate and are sold him the most popular. Gettysburg and Tora Tora Tora are probably my two favorites because they were excellent and very historically accurate. But they probably don’t top anyone else’s list. 3 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Guard Dog said: I remember a couple of glaring historical inaccuracies. I’m kind of a history snob when it comes to the movies. I expect them to get it right and they seldom do. It was a beautiful movie to look at. Cinematography, the cast, all that was great. The plot was a little convoluted and sort of didn’t make a lot of sense but even that I can overlook. But when the US Army is using the wrong type of weapons, the wrong tactics, even combat taking place in the wrong freaking places I can’t get past it. actually I had the same complaint with saving Private Ryan. The Normandy Landing that they depicted was great. Very well done. Stressful just to watch it. But the whole idea of sending a squad of men led by a company commander no less in the middle of the first weeks of the invasion just would never happen. And the premise behind the last battle and the strategic importance of a bridge that was less than 20 foot long. The Wehrmacht corps of engineers could have had that river bridged in a few hours. In the airborne would not have fought to defend it. The moment the first German column was sighted they would’ve evacuated across the river and blown the bridge then set up a defense to attack any of the engineers that tried to repair/bridge the gap. hey I get it it makes for great drama and movies. But it irks me. The funny thing is the war movies I thought were the best ones were the most historically accurate and are sold him the most popular. Gettysburg and Tora Tora Tora are probably my two favorites because they were excellent and very historically accurate. But they probably don’t top anyone else’s list. I agree, movies about war and battles must be accurate where reasonable. But they must be correct most of the time and these small things annoy me as well 2 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadySands Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Guard Dog said: I remember a couple of glaring historical inaccuracies. I’m kind of a history snob when it comes to the movies. I expect them to get it right and they seldom do. It was a beautiful movie to look at. Cinematography, the cast, all that was great. The plot was a little convoluted and sort of didn’t make a lot of sense but even that I can overlook. But when the US Army is using the wrong type of weapons, the wrong tactics, even combat taking place in the wrong freaking places I can’t get past it. This is something that never bothered me until I knew better and now I often find those movies unwatchable. It's more tolerable in movies set further back in time because I have less knowledge about the details but anything (semi-)modern I can't help but nitpick 1 Free games updated 3/4/21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanisatha Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, BruceVC said: What about 'Thin Red Line ', its about the Pacific conflict with the Japanese ? Yes that one is based on the Guadalcanal campaign, although when I checked it out it turned out to be about the story of a couple of AWOL soldiers. And I tend to not like those kinds of WW2 movies, focusing on the personal story of some individual. Feels like a soap opera that's just set in a war setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanisatha Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, BruceVC said: Kanie you said you have interest in WW2 shows and it seems like you really know a lot about certain military subjects. Have you also done military service or do you have another connection to the military generally? No I haven't served in the military. I'm an immigrant to the US, so my situation didn't allow for it. I came to the US on a student visa, although In truth I was fleeing an oppressive home country. Had I grown up in the US I surely would've ended up in the navy or air force. I've long had an interest in political and military history, and WW2 history is especially interesting to me (as is Cold War history btw). I have a doctorate in international relations and my areas of research and teaching are international security and conflict, military affairs, and foreign policy. My overall professional interest is on international rivalries, from the ancient world to today. In the past my research was focused on the India-Pakistan rivalry including especially its nuclear weapons proliferation dimension, but in recent years I've swung over to the Iran-Israel, Iran-Saudi, and emerging US-China rivalries. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted June 7, 2021 Author Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) Do you know the movie I hated the most? Braveheart. They didn’t even get the freaking year right. Absolutely everything about that movie was wrong. Other than the names of the characters. But the person they screwed over the most was Edward II. It’s true he was nothing like his old man but he was not a sissy. He lost the war because he was brash and couldn’t control his temper. William Wallace and Robert the Bruce never actually met each other. They were certainly never on the same field at the same time. That was Hollywood history at its absolute worst. The fact that so many people liked it and it actually won awards makes it all the worse because it encourages to lay more turds like that outlaw King on Netflix was so much better. It was in a completely historically accurate either but it’s only sin is that is compressed the timeline and skipped over a few things. But everything that is in the movie did happen. Edited June 7, 2021 by Guard Dog 1 1 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeYellow Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Guard Dog said: Do you know the movie I hated the most? Braveheart. They didn’t even get the freaking year right. Absolutely everything about that movie was wrong. Other than the names of the characters. But the person they screwed over the most was Edward II. It’s true he was nothing like his old man but he was not a sissy. He lost the war because he was brash and couldn’t control his temper. William Wallace and Robert the Bruce never actually met each other. They were certainly never on the same field at the same time. That was Hollywood history at its absolute worst. The fact that so many people liked it and it actually went towards makes it all the worse because it encourages to lay more turds like that outlaw King on Netflix was so much better. It was in a completely historically accurate either but it’s only sin is that is compressed the timeline and skipped over a few things. But everything that is in the movie did happen. It was a good fairy tale... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Guard Dog said: Do you know the movie I hated the most? Braveheart. They didn’t even get the freaking year right. Absolutely everything about that movie was wrong. Other than the names of the characters. But the person they screwed over the most was Edward II. It’s true he was nothing like his old man but he was not a sissy. He lost the war because he was brash and couldn’t control his temper. William Wallace and Robert the Bruce never actually met each other. They were certainly never on the same field at the same time. That was Hollywood history at its absolute worst. The fact that so many people liked it and it actually won awards makes it all the worse because it encourages to lay more turds like that outlaw King on Netflix was so much better. It was in a completely historically accurate either but it’s only sin is that is compressed the timeline and skipped over a few things. But everything that is in the movie did happen. GD well done for seeing past the blatant and outrageous anti-English propaganda in movies like Braveheart Its fun and entertaining but not accurate and these types of movies always paint the British in this really bad light and some of it is not historically correct "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, kanisatha said: No I haven't served in the military. I'm an immigrant to the US, so my situation didn't allow for it. I came to the US on a student visa, although In truth I was fleeing an oppressive home country. Had I grown up in the US I surely would've ended up in the navy or air force. I've long had an interest in political and military history, and WW2 history is especially interesting to me (as is Cold War history btw). I have a doctorate in international relations and my areas of research and teaching are international security and conflict, military affairs, and foreign policy. My overall professional interest is on international rivalries, from the ancient world to today. In the past my research was focused on the India-Pakistan rivalry including especially its nuclear weapons proliferation dimension, but in recent years I've swung over to the Iran-Israel, Iran-Saudi, and emerging US-China rivalries. Good to know, I will throw some questions at you if you dont mind in the future. Just to get your opinion and share mine? Mostly the ME and similar conflicts so its your area of study 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 US Navy, Boeing conduct first-ever aerial refueling with unmanned tanker. 2 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanisatha Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Gfted1 said: US Navy, Boeing conduct first-ever aerial refueling with unmanned tanker. These drone tankers are going to be a game-changer in future conventional wars (for anyone who has them). Edited June 7, 2021 by kanisatha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanisatha Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, BruceVC said: Good to know, I will throw some questions at you if you dont mind in the future. Just to get your opinion and share mine? Mostly the ME and similar conflicts so its your area of study Sure thing. Always happy to chat about stuff in my professional areas of interest. And to add to my earlier post, I also have continuing interests in military aviation and human exploration of space. I was an engineer before i switched professions to international relations. I have a B.S., an M.S., and an unfinished PhD in Aerospace Engineering prior to completing a PhD in International Relations. Edited June 7, 2021 by kanisatha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted June 7, 2021 Author Share Posted June 7, 2021 23 minutes ago, BruceVC said: GD well done for seeing past the blatant and outrageous anti-English propaganda in movies like Braveheart Its fun and entertaining but not accurate and these types of movies always paint the British in this really bad light and some of it is not historically correct Sounds like you were talking about “the patriot”. I think the only thing in that movie that was historically accurate is that there was a guy named Cornwallis and there was an American revolution. The similarities end there 2 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Now, about that rivalry between Carthage and Rome... 1 1 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted June 7, 2021 Author Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Gorth said: Now, about that rivalry between Carthage and Rome... Carthago delenda est "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanisatha Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Gorth said: Now, about that rivalry between Carthage and Rome... One of my favorites, alongside Athens and Sparta of course. Alexander versus Darius is also very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted June 7, 2021 Author Share Posted June 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, kanisatha said: One of my favorites, alongside Athens and Sparta of course. Alexander versus Darius is also very interesting. Hannibal is one of my favorite figures from history 1 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 In terms of being potentially hilariously inaccurate movies Vin Diesel's interpretation of Hannibal would have definitely been interesting to see, at least, though he did at least seem pretty invested in the idea on a personal level- but then again, so did Gibson with Braveheart and The Patriot. You just know that some people would be disappointed if he didn't eat Flaminius' liver with some fava beans and a chianti after Trasimene though. 4 hours ago, Guard Dog said: But the person they screwed over the most was Edward II. Much as I dislike Braveheart on general principle I'd say he in particular got screwed over by the old and more general adage of victors writing history. He wasn't portrayed sympathetically in Braveheart, but it wasn't massively off since he wasn't portrayed sympathetically in history either due to ultimately losing- and the victors had to justify the crime of crimes of murdering a king theoretically appointed by god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Guard Dog said: Sounds like you were talking about “the patriot”. I think the only thing in that movie that was historically accurate is that there was a guy named Cornwallis and there was an American revolution. The similarities end there Surprised they didn't make the villain a Hessian that looked like Himmler in that movie. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 US Air Force completes tests of swarming munitions, but will they ever see battle? "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 First two B-21 Raider stealth bombers are complete and ready for testing. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanisatha Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 15 hours ago, Gfted1 said: First two B-21 Raider stealth bombers are complete and ready for testing. This was clarified later on as the two airframes are in production but not yet complete. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 https://www.wearethemighty.com/military-life/7-reasons-why-enlisted-love-mustang-officers/ "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Let's see if this thing keeps floating... testing how a 20 kiloton explosion next to a carrier affects it (I guess they are worried about the Chinese "carrier buster" bombs/ballistic missiles) https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-57547885 Edit: Video on the BBC page of the test. Apparently the carrier was scheduled for being taken out of action for a while anyway for maintenance work and repairs. Edit2: I suck at numbers “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 A 20kt explosion would be slightly bigger than that- see Operation Crossroads for an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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