Zoraptor Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) Couple more Turkish soldiers killed in Idlib, seems like they* had the bright idea to try shooting down a(nother) Russian Su-24 with a manpad during an assault on a small town and got bombed for their trouble. While Turkish sources are officially saying it was the Syrians doing the bombing and that they killed another 50 (mythical) Syrian soldiers in response it was definitely Russia. The assault itself was probably testing whether Russia would pack up and run in response to threats like the US did last year or respond and risk killing Turkish soldiers, if so they got their answer. Cue Turkey Erdogan really going all friendship ended with Russia, now US is (again) new best friend and asking for patriots, US air patrols and a mug of cocoa, pat on the head and being told everything will be OK. *they in the general sense, the dead were supposedly tank crew so were unlikely to be those firing the Igla/ Stinger. Edited February 20, 2020 by Zoraptor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/fighting-rages-northwest-syria-turkish-troops-killed-200220131908647.html tl;dr; version, Turkish artillery started the fighting, paving the way for a rebel assault that broke through the Syrian lines in two places, Russian airplanes and Syrian army struck back. "The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights war monitor said at least 11 pro-government fighters and 14 on the pro-Turkey side were killed along with the two Turkish troops." “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Unfortunately AlJ isn't a great source- the Turkish military base there was the only thing stopping Mr Bone Saw from literally invading Qatar so their media is (pretty understandably) very strongly pro Turkey. AlJ TV was still claiming that the attack got through to Saraqib a few hours ago when in reality it seems to have got half way into Nayrab, a small town on the front line kilometers away. Rebel attacks very often achieve 'break throughs' of some sort as the Syrian/ Russian doctrine is designed around not fighting hard for front line positions- due mostly to the prevalence of suicide vehicle based IEDs and their huge advantage in artillery. So they will generally withdraw to a prepared secondary line, the SVBIEDs explode at the now empty old front line or are destroyed when they have to slow down to negotiate corners or berms, any APCs or pickups being used to ferry up rebel troops get hit by artillery/ ATGMs/ aircraft and any who make it into their offensive objective get hit by artillery and counter attacked from the secondary defensive positions. The rebels would very often take a decent theoretical amount of land in attacks, but last time they held any new areas for more than a few weeks was, literally, early 2016. Last 4 years they've always ended up losing more than they took even when their offensives seem to be an initial success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanisatha Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 I hope the US makes it very clear to the sultan of Turkey that neither the US nor NATO will be bailing his sorry ass out in Syria and that he is on his own there. I am very strongly pro-Kurdish and am happy to see the Turks getting their due for what they've done to the Kurds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 U.S. Military Adopts New Ethics Guidelines For Artificial Intelligence. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 At least 22 Turkish soldiers killed after some bright spark decided to try shooting down a Russian plane with a Stinger again. The 22 is a confirmed official figure, apparently the HQ for Turkey's whole Idlib operation may have been hit with up to 100 total casualties. It also looks like Turkey may be trying to leverage an Article 5 response from NATO- which should not apply as Article 5 is for mutual self defence, and cannot be used if you're invading someone else. While not absolutely confirmed it's been reported by both Reuters and Al Jazeera that Turkey will allow all refugees to transit Turkey again into Europe in the hope of forcing the hand of Euro/ NATO countries- especially Greece- to support them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 I'd like to think that NATO will honor Article 5 when Turkey honors Article 2. Wishful thinking of course. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanisatha Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 On 2/27/2020 at 4:56 PM, Zoraptor said: It also looks like Turkey may be trying to leverage an Article 5 response from NATO- which should not apply as Article 5 is for mutual self defence, and cannot be used if you're invading someone else. While not absolutely confirmed it's been reported by both Reuters and Al Jazeera that Turkey will allow all refugees to transit Turkey again into Europe in the hope of forcing the hand of Euro/ NATO countries- especially Greece- to support them. Haha. Yes I saw this (NATO and Article 5). My students and I discussed it in my International Security class this afternoon. And yes apparently a group of refugees stormed the Greek border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share Posted March 1, 2020 Interesting analysis on the expansion of unmanned warfare assets in the US arsenal: https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2020/02/29/unmanning_a_twenty-second_century_navy_115077.html "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 6, 2020 Author Share Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) An article claiming the Douglas A26 Invader was the best warplane ever made. https://www.realclearhistory.com/articles/2020/03/05/greatest_warplane_ever_485991.html Not sure I agree with that list. IMO the top dog is the F-22 Raptor. Certainly the most maneuverable airframe ever designed. IMO the best ground support plane was the Sukhoi SU-57 for jet engines. The P-51 Musting for radial engines Best air to air is the F-22 and a tossup between the Mitsubishi Zero and F4U Corsair Best heavy lift is the C130 no doubt. The coolest is the Fokker Tri-Plane of Manfred von Ricktofen fame. Edited March 6, 2020 by Guard Dog 1 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 I was a bit of an expert in the Focke-Wulf, back during my Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe days. Memories... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 49 minutes ago, Guard Dog said: IMO the best ground support plane was the Sukhoi SU-57 for jet engines. The Warthog would like to have a word with you. 2 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 6, 2020 Author Share Posted March 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Gfted1 said: The Warthog would like to have a word with you. SU-57 is faster with a bigger payload. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 You've either got the wrong plane or the wrong definition of ground attack*. Su57 is the Russian F22 equivalent. And while P51 could be used in ground attack it was far more useful as a long range escort, and other planes were better at the task (eg off the top of my head, Typhoons for UK. Thunderbolts on the US side. And the Sturmovik for the Russians) I'd have difficulty putting the Warthog first though as it's never operated in genuinely contested airspace. The Stuka too looked great when it was in uncontested skies. *Though I really don't like wikipedias list, way too many listed that can be used but really aren't intended to be used as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanisatha Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 F-22 and Spitfire/F4U for air combat. A-10 and Mosquito for ground attack. Coolest is YF-12!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 While it never made it into service, Ive always thought the XB-70 Valkyrie was pretty cool. 1 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 Coolest by a country mile was the Su-47, especially with the prototype's colour scheme. Backwings just look awesome even if they aren't really practical. 2 hours ago, kanisatha said: Mosquito for ground attack. There's a fairly well known plane rebuilder at the nearest aerodrome to where I live and they did mock attack runs on me during flight testing for one of their Mosquito rebuilds (I was spraying gorse and they obviously decided a red ute parked at the top of a hill made an obvious and safe target). Pretty memorable experience, but I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end if it were for real. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azdeus Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 Gripen all the way Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanisatha Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Zoraptor said: Coolest by a country mile was the Su-47, especially with the prototype's colour scheme. Backwings just look awesome even if they aren't really practical. There's a fairly well known plane rebuilder at the nearest aerodrome to where I live and they did mock attack runs on me during flight testing for one of their Mosquito rebuilds (I was spraying gorse and they obviously decided a red ute parked at the top of a hill made an obvious and safe target). Pretty memorable experience, but I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end if it were for real. Sadly the closest I've ever come to the old classic warbirds is through my big hobby as a kid making model airplanes. I've seen all US jets at pretty close quarters, including even the B-1 and the F-22. But not any of the props. Next time I'm in England visiting my brother I need to have him take me to one of the old airfields. I sooooo badly want to see a real spitfire up close, maybe even climb into the ****pit. I love the spitfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 Complete reverse for me, I've seen heaps of classics from close up- including some near uniques like the Polikarpov- but basically no modern jets. Modern warplanes don't really make it out here, but I can literally go down to Ardmore and watch Spitfires/ Mustangs or Sopwith Camel (replicas) take off while having a coffee at the cafe (they do paid flights on the classic planes so you see them pretty frequently, bit pricey but something I will get around to doing, once I win the Lottery). I was also lucky enough to be on the Isle of Wight during the 60th anniversary of D-Day, and they had a heap of fly overs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Ukraine evolves thermobaric rockets, grenades. 1 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 On 3/7/2020 at 1:09 PM, kanisatha said: my big hobby as a kid making model airplanes. Sounds familiar. Before there was such a thing as home computers, much less internet, it was company names like Airfix, Revell, Matchbox and similar that had my interests Acrylic paints and some brain matter dissolving glue was always on my little work desk in my room. Had airplanes hanging from the ceiling and the shelves lined with everything from WW I tanks and battle ships to models of famous historic sailing ships. 1 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Gorth said: ounds familiar. Before there was such a thing as home computers, much less internet So, Gorth's skull avatar is actually a photo of himself. 1 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skazz Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Malcador said: So, Gorth's skull avatar is actually a photo of himself. I thought this was obvious. He's in Australia. Edited March 13, 2020 by Skazz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 The US Army is offering to pay off student loans for officer/recruits who enlist for infantry. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/03/12/army-offers-repay-soldiers-college-loans-if-they-go-infantry.html The US Marine Corps is getting leaner... and meaner: https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2020/03/12/marine-corps-has-to-get-smaller-to-get-better-commandant-says/ I was a little surprised to hear the Commandant describe 186k Marines as too big. I left the service in 1993 and it was around 240k IIRC. It was a very different Corps then. We were still armed, organized, and training for a potential WWIII. Every exercise we did was large unit tactics. Platoon and Company sized actions are the norm now. Back then the thinking was "what good can one company do against an entire Russian Motorized Rifle Regiment"? You have to change with the times. A slide rule can still be used to help with your math homework, but it ain't the best tool any more. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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