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1 hour ago, Gorth said:

Australia used to be a nice place... let's commemorate the country that once was:

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What about the bogans?


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5 minutes ago, Malcador said:

What about the bogans?

Those areas on the map marked in green...

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8 hours ago, BruceVC said:

I still maintain Biden is the  best Democratic candidate to beat Trump and hopefully he wins the Democratic nomination 😎

Trump Lite, eh?


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13 minutes ago, 213374U said:

Long suspected as much, even though I never really read anything about it. It'll be good to have something under my belt while arguing with Swedish Democrats that wants to "help where migrants are at".


Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken

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4 hours ago, ShadySands said:

Castro finally ends campaign

for us this is kinda a meh moment. had to keep reminding self castro were still technical in the race.

felt a little disappointment when booker dropped out o' the race. buttigeg is kinda a watered-down and less experienced version o' booker but with the advantage o' not being a washington guy, which is increasing important these days. we preferred booker to biden or buttigeg. admitted, it were tough to figure out exact where booker stood on a few issues and he failed to have a signature policy driver such as yang's $1k handout.  *insert eye-roll* am personal not a fan o' clinton era fiscal policy, and booker were kinda a more honest and less smarmy bill clinton, but am thinking he coulda' actual brought back a bit o' needed bipartisanship to washington on a number o' issues if he had been willing to stand up for... something.

castro started poor in the debates and initial polls and never improved much. again, need remind self he were still in this. 

HA! Good Fun!


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2 hours ago, Azdeus said:

Long suspected as much, even though I never really read anything about it. It'll be good to have something under my belt while arguing with Swedish Democrats that wants to "help where migrants are at".

Libya having huge migrant exploitation and literal slave markets has been known for absolute ages, but nearly no one in the press wants to actually report on it- mostly because it would involve strong tacit criticism of an intervention they were wildly supportive of and make other interventions they're wildly supportive of harder to sell.

The really weird thing about Libya is the split in who supports which faction. Sworn enemies in Syria- Russia, Syria; UAE, KSA, France and Israel along with Egypt which was broadly neutral- all teaming up to take on the Turkish backed formal government in Tripoli, and Turkey is even flying in the jihadi mercenaries it used in its ethnic cleansing campaign in northern Syria as expendable cannon fodder.

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Booker is still in.

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Iraqi TV and a Hezbollah TV channel (and secondary sources like Al Jazeera quoting them) are reporting that the US has droned Qassem Soleimani and PMU head al Muhandis.

If so, it's difficult to see anything other than outright war following, but there are also sources (eg BBC Arabic) denying it and the whole situation is pretty murky- the initial reports were of an attack being made on US troops at Baghdad Airport. Given that 10 Iraqi soldiers proper are also reported dead or injured I'd suspect at very least the US is going to be 'invited' to leave Iraq in the next few days.

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Funny, all of this and no Bolton there.  Wouldn't have expected tha


Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra

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Consumer goods are literally the only thing that's keeping a large segment of the U.S. population inactive at rebelling against this pitiful regime that has been been in power since at least Clinton.

I would know, I've fell back into the addiction of computer hardware assembly.  It's literally a drug.  Silicon Valley is doing a phenomenal job at keeping American left-leaning people docile.

Whether this is all for the better is yet to be determined.  Either consume and destroy the planet and start a family or rebel and offer alternative solutions with uncertain certainty of success.

The post-modern world really sucks. 

I guess it'll take a collective sledgehammer and to have things start falling apart before a new collective conscience takes place.

Until then, pay your bills, learn to love, and remain cautious.  It's the small things that matter, stuff the history books don't write about, that generates good...


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4 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

Libya having huge migrant exploitation and literal slave markets has been known for absolute ages, but nearly no one in the press wants to actually report on it- mostly because it would involve strong tacit criticism of an intervention they were wildly supportive of and make other interventions they're wildly supportive of harder to sell.

 

Zora I was hoping 2020 would be a good year to not be selective and revisionist  about geopolitical events and developments 

For example its patently untrue that the press hasnt reported about the slave markets in Libya, it was CNN who first broke the story with Freedom Project at great personal risk to there own  journalists. How else do you think you even know about the Libya slave markets which were mostly controlled by the ISIS faction. Its the same as the slavery we see Boko Haram involved in

https://edition.cnn.com/specials/africa/libya-slave-auctions

Comments like the media is biased I have always found to be inaccurate due to the fact the media isn't some monolithic entity controlled by the Jews/Illuminate " puppet masters " 

And finally the entire collapse of Libya was not because of the West. It was a outcome of the Arab Spring and the fact Gaddafi, like Assad, refused to allow all his citizens to be part of the economy or share in any kind of economic transformation. This is on them, not the Western intervention 

 

 


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1 hour ago, ComradeMaster said:

 

I would know, I've fell back into the addiction of computer hardware assembly.  It's literally a drug.  Silicon Valley is doing a phenomenal job at keeping American left-leaning people docile.

Whether this is all for the better is yet to be determined.  Either consume and destroy the planet and start a family or rebel and offer alternative solutions with uncertain certainty of success.

 

Im genuinely interested in how Silicon Valley is adding to the left being docile? Because its normal to buy PC hardware and software if that is one of your hobbies

So in other words how is commercialization of any sector or industry responsible for reducing activism? You can do both ....we can " walk and chew at the same time "  as some people say in the South Africa political and social narrative 

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"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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Hmm.

CNN did not break the story of Libyan slaving. It's been going on since 2012 so it took them 5 years to report on it. They did however try to run interference by blaming ISIS for it. Which as with most good propaganda is true, from a certain point of view, however...

There's massive slaving still going on despite ISIS practically not existing any more in Libya. The primary slavers are, surprise surprise, western backed militias- and always have been.

The collapse of Libya was 100% due to the west. Not the US in this case which largely got dragged along by its allies, but due to that noxious dwarf war criminal Nicolas Sarkozy wanting to cover up getting illegal donations from Gaddafi. Libyans were literally 100% better off under Gaddafi in every conceivable way and every conceivable measure, including the possiblity of arbitrarily being tortured or killed from which the threat now comes from a befuddling array of possibilities rather than just if you challenged Muammar.

The popular revolution was so powerful that even with NATO illegally acting as its airforce the rebels still took 6 months to win.

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8 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:

Hmm.

CNN did not break the story of Libyan slaving. It's been going on since 2012 so it took them 5 years to report on it. They did however try to run interference by blaming ISIS for it. Which as with most good propaganda is true, from a certain point of view, however...

There's massive slaving still going on despite ISIS practically not existing any more in Libya. The primary slavers are, surprise surprise, western backed militias- and always have been.

The collapse of Libya was 100% due to the west. Not the US in this case which largely got dragged along by its allies, but due to that noxious dwarf war criminal Nicolas Sarkozy wanting to cover up getting illegal donations from Gaddafi. Libyans were literally 100% better off under Gaddafi in every conceivable way and every conceivable measure, including the possiblity of arbitrarily being tortured or killed from which the threat now comes from a befuddling array of possibilities rather than just if you challenged Muammar.

The popular revolution was so powerful that even with NATO illegally acting as its airforce the rebels still took 6 months to win.

You raise some good points but there is a fundamental inconsistency in the argument " that Libya was better off under Gaddafi " 

Clearly the majority of the actual Libyan citizens disagree with that view because the Arab Spring uprising in Libya was  initiated by Libyan tribes unhappy with the dictatorial rule of Gaddafi. The original intervention of the Western bombing campaign was to break the siege of Misrata, the planned attacks on Bhengazi and to prevent the  massacre of tens of thousands of Libyan rebels and civilians  by Gaddafi forces. The intervention was also the basis for the UN resolution 1973 ( even if you dismiss WIKI links you can use the links below as a basis for other articles outside of wiki links, I am just posting them as reference and convenience ) 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1973

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Misrata

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2011_military_intervention_in_Libya

I am not suggesting the Western bombing campaign didn't extend its UN mandate but they didn't  cause the original instability and were not responsible for the causes of the Libyan civil war

Finally people criticize the West for helping to defeat Gaddafi but  then not playing any meaningful role in helping to rebuild the new Libya. But the rebuilding of Libya was never part of the strategy or a realistic expectation for several reasons. Primarily the fact that many of the anti-Gaddafi tribes also didn't  like the West  so Western countries couldn't  be seen as any kind of occupying force after the initial failures of the 2003 invasion of Iraq 

Compare Syria to Libya now and ask an honest question, what country has a better future or is more likely to be rebuilt in a quicker and more sustainable way? That is my example of what happens when you dont have Western intervention and things are left to be resolved by the likes of Russia or other players 


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"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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4 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

Iraqi TV and a Hezbollah TV channel (and secondary sources like Al Jazeera quoting them) are reporting that the US has droned Qassem Soleimani and PMU head al Muhandis.

If so, it's difficult to see anything other than outright war following, but there are also sources (eg BBC Arabic) denying it and the whole situation is pretty murky- the initial reports were of an attack being made on US troops at Baghdad Airport. Given that 10 Iraqi soldiers proper are also reported dead or injured I'd suspect at very least the US is going to be 'invited' to leave Iraq in the next few days.

This is concerning, its currently been extensively covered by Al Jazeera for those interested and its  a good, objective way to follow this development as you see views by numerous people on both sides  


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"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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This is a very smart, sober, and enlightening analysis of the US political situation. Frankly I surprised it came from the Atlantic. But, credit where credit is due: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/two-party-system-broke-constitution/604213/

 

One of my biggest worries is that one political faction or the other actually achieves a real and enduring majority. With so much animosity and so many actions taken for no reason other than petty attempts to infuriate the other side and actual armed civil war absolutely could happen. The worst part of it is people in general follow the better angels of their nature and don't automatically hate each other. But the political class needs that anger to drive their electoral ambitions so they gleefully stoke it. 


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14 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

Iraqi TV and a Hezbollah TV channel (and secondary sources like Al Jazeera quoting them) are reporting that the US has droned Qassem Soleimani and PMU head al Muhandis.

Given that it's election year I can't help to wonder what was Trump thinking.
A serious escalation while his base was all for getting out of middle-east.

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1 hour ago, pmp10 said:

Given that it's election year I can't help to wonder what was Trump thinking.
A serious escalation while his base was all for getting out of middle-east.

well most of his voter base don't want troops in there, throwing few missiles there on other hand...

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2 hours ago, pmp10 said:

Given that it's election year I can't help to wonder what was Trump thinking.
A serious escalation while his base was all for getting out of middle-east.

Trump simply doesn't have the ability to 'think' about such things, he lacks any depth of knowledge or critical acumen beyond seeing everything as a business transaction.

Situation would have been something like he'd have got a phone call from Netanyahu urging him to 'eliminate a terrorist' and done it with no one left to tell him that it's the equivalent of eliminating the US SecDef, if the US SecDef happened to also be George Washington- Soleimani was ludicrously popular in Iran, even US surveys had him at 80% approval.

He was also ludicrously popular in places the US really needs for when they'll be kicked out of Iraq, like Iraqi Kurdistan since Soleimani lead the Iranian response to Anfal and Saddam's chemical weapons attacks on the Kurds at a time when the US was still arming Saddam and claiming it was Iran framing Iraq for the CW attacks. Of course, the main US supporter there and his party was actually working for Saddam while his compatriots were being gassed...

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