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"I said to the team, 'I hope this becomes your Fallout'": The directors of The Outer Worlds discuss its development
Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky discuss The Outer Worlds, a game that feels torn out of time without being dated by
 
Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky are explaining the origins of The Outer Worlds to me over the phone, and I can't help but believe in my heart that it is all an elaborate fabrication. I'm told that production began back in 2016 in collaboration with Private Division, and that the game was finished long before Microsoft opened its cheque book to acquire the studio. That the project has been a labour of love for Obsidian Entertainment, fuelled by the passion of two reunited game directors working alongside a small team of talented young programmers and veteran RPG designers. They explain that The Outer Worlds is the most ambitious game the studio has worked on for quite some time and that it hopes its release garners enough interest to warrant a sequel. I hear what they're saying, and I'm not buying it.
 
I can't – I'm half expecting Cain to shoot me an apologetic call any minute now, explaining that he couldn't tell me the real origin story while Private Division is listening in on the line. That The Outer Worlds isn't a new creation, but rather a surprise discovery. That Cain was rummaging through a storage cupboard one fateful afternoon and stumbled upon the source code for an Obsidian RPG that you've never played before. That he dusted off the code and set to work giving it a well-deserved polish, enough so that the studio could pass it off as a modern release. "Shhh," he'd say, "don't tell anybody."
 
This series of imagined events wouldn't be out of the realms of possibility for me because The Outer Worlds looks like a game torn out of time. Torn out of time, but not dated by it. Like it was regretfully put to one side sometime between 2009, as Obsidian worked through the development of Alpha Protocol and Fallout: New Vegas as freelance guns for hire, and 2012, as the studio turned to Kickstarter to fund its isometric throwback Pillars of Eternity. No studio makes RPGs in this style anymore, and there's nothing else quite like The Outer Worlds in the industry right now as a result.
 
The past becomes the present
 
"I'm a lot older than a lot of the people working on the game and when we first started on it I said to the team, 'I hope this becomes your Fallout.'" It's a sweet sentiment from Tim Cain, the co-director of The Outer Worlds, sat alongside the other co-director, Leonard Boyarsky. Once upon a time, the duo was a part of the core creative team at Interplay Entertainments – responsible for the original Fallout, one of the most influential RPGs of all time. Now, more than two decades later, they are hoping to do it all over again with The Outer Worlds.
 
"I hope that in 10 or 20 years people are still talking about The Outer Worlds. I hope that games are still being made in this universe. I hope other games are inspired by it..." Cain continues until Boyarsky leaps in to finish his thought; the two are easy in conversation. "I hope that it resonates with people. To do that, it needs to be satisfying in a deep way, in a way that makes people want to just keep on returning to it over and over again. I want this to feel like a universe that people continually want to play in."
 
To achieve this lofty goal, Obsidian has constructed a tight adventure cast out across the stars. The Outer Worlds is ostensibly about being lost in space and trying to find your place in it. You are awoken from cryostasis decades after your ship first embarked on its mission to reach the furthest edges of the galaxy, all in an effort to help settle the Halcyon colony. After being left for dead by the colonies' mysterious benefactors, it is you that will act as the unplanned variable in the decimation equation threatening to consume it all. It's heady and it's hearty – this is an Obsidian game, after all.
 
The Outer Worlds is designed so that you can engage with as much or as little of this core narrative throughline as you desire. With numerous factions vying for power, with countless characters to interact and engage with across two core planets, and a medley of ships and space stations, there is plenty of scope to forge your own path through it all without it becoming disrespectful of your time or attention. "We knew from the beginning that this wasn't going to be a 100-hour epic," Boyarsky explains. "We are doing everything that we can to make sure that we can deliver a great, polished, and fun experience."
 
In many respects, The Outer Worlds looks like a direct response to the gluttonous RPGs that have become so pervasive in the industry today. The Outer Worlds is a smaller, tighter, and more densely packed proposition than any of its immediate competition, a hand-crafted adventure that is designed to reflect your personality and preferred playstyle through its action and dialogue. "We're making the story that we're trying to tell; our story really lends itself to having smaller areas," Boyarsky continues. "This is a space science-fiction game, where you're a space hero that needs to fly around space and go to all of these different places. If we had just one big continuous map, it wouldn't really have the space opera fantasy/pulp sci-fi fantasy feel that we were going for."
 
It means that The Outer Worlds should feel manageable. In spite of its scope and depth, it's being created to be something that you can tackle one area, mission, or character interaction at a time. It's refreshing, really. As too is hearing the conviction the game directors' have to ensure that The Outer Worlds is as optimised and bug-free as possible. "Looking at the time and budget we had, we really wanted to take the time to make sure it was a polished experience."
 
"We didn't want a lot of randomised or quickly-slapped-together content, we wanted to really focus on making the content by hand and making sure it was really fun to play," Boyarsky tells me. "And the flip side of having smaller areas [and] less overall game time is that, because we put so much player-driven choice and reactivity in this game that, when you're done with it, you'll be excited to get back into it and immediately try out some different paths through it – as opposed to some of the longer games where you're like, 'Okay, I need to wait six months before I could even think about starting another playthrough of this game."
 
Every action has a reaction
 
Why does Obsidian think you'll be so eager to jump back in? Well, that's because this is something of a freeform experience. The Outer Worlds is a classless RPG; you can build your character in any way that you see fit, investing in skills and perks that you think will be interesting. There is never a single path through any mission, environment, or opportunity, and you'll have plenty of scope to improvise along the way – leaning on abilities such as smooth-talking, sneaking, and fighting as a baseline of how to proceed through each and every scenario that you stumble into.
 
Obsidian has effectively run itself ragged to prioritise player choice and reactivity in The Outer Worlds. The goal has been to create something that always feels like it is bending to match your decision making, the natural evolution of the work the creative duo has done in this space in years gone bye. "The goal that we had on the original Fallout is the same goal that we had here," says Cain. "Players can play the game in any way that they want to, and the game will react accordingly."
 
"I think we've evolved since we first worked on Fallout, in terms of our understanding of how to better deliver that experience to the player," Boyarsky continues, noting one of the core lessons that the creative duo has learned since 1997. "If a game is reacting to the player, then the player needs to know and understand that it is reacting. If you don't see or feel like an outcome might have been different if you had done it in another way then it's not going to feel like your choices are making a difference."
 
Boyarsky goes on to explain that communicating change isn't as explicit as it might be in, say, a Telltale game – "we don't throw our hands up and say 'people are going to remember that!'" – The Outer Worlds is designed in such a way that you should immediately understand when your decisions are having an impact on both a micro and macro level. "If you can't see the fact that the game is reacting to your decisions you're just going to think 'oh, that's what happens when I play the game', and then you have to play it two or three times to see any difference. We're very cognisant of making sure that you understand why things are happening due to the choices that you make [...] we show it through action and dialogue, and the way the world reacts to your presence and the way the game plays out after that."
 
While it may be difficult to get your head around now, it would be very difficult for The Outer Worlds to offer the same experience to two separate players. The studio has attempted to playtest as many character builds as it possibly can, pushing through as many of its branching paths as possible, but in a world where effectively every character can live or die by your hand, has made exploring every possible outcome something of a challenge.
 
"We've had the game playable for so long now; we've had a chance to play all of those through multiple times, and in different manners and fashions. We've really hammered out all of the different ways that you can go through the game," Boyarsky says, with Cain jumping in to add: "The Outer Worlds has been playable from start to finish for about two years! I've played it at least 15 times."
 
When The Outer Worlds launches for PC, PS4, and Xbox One on October 25, you'll have the opportunity to see for yourself just how successfully Obsidian has pulled off its latest RPG experiment. Still, what reassurances can the two directors provide to convince anybody still sitting on the fence that The Outer Worlds is going to be as deep and malleable as promised? Boyarsky thinks on this for a second, chuckles to himself, and asks: "Do we really need to talk about how long we've been doing this?"
 
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We as customers also hope this is our new Fallout.  Just listen to your customers and keep improving. Don't just copy/paste from game to game. We want games that we can't wait to get a sequel to.

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1 hour ago, ManifestedISO said:

am personally hoping it's also a game people who don't enjoy Fallout will love

Depends on what you don't enjoy about Fallout. Design principles are of course going to be similiar.

The biggest different is probably going to be the overall tone. With it being overall much lighter, this is space pulp/opera after all.

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5 hours ago, ManifestedISO said:

am personally hoping it's also a game people who don't enjoy Fallout will love

Also remember Fallout has been out of these guys hands since it went from isometric to 3d.  Fallout's current state is poor. Both graphics and story wise it has become stale.  It's like after FO 3 did so good Bethesda just sorta decided it was a cash cow that didn't have to put any effort in and people would just keep buying them. But after 76 I'm not so sure cause it showed just how much they didn't care about the product. But yes I do hope people that don't care for the wasteland and mutants of Fallout will enjoy this. Part of what originally attracted people to Fallout was that it didn't take it's self too serious. We can already see from the trailers that it's got the humor and whimsy. 

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1 hour ago, Anhur said:

Also remember Fallout has been out of these guys hands since it went from isometric to 3d.  Fallout's current state is poor. Both graphics and story wise it has become stale.  It's like after FO 3 did so good Bethesda just sorta decided it was a cash cow that didn't have to put any effort in and people would just keep buying them. But after 76 I'm not so sure cause it showed just how much they didn't care about the product. But yes I do hope people that don't care for the wasteland and mutants of Fallout will enjoy this. Part of what originally attracted people to Fallout was that it didn't take it's self too serious. We can already see from the trailers that it's got the humor and whimsy. 


I think you're right about 76, but I personally enjoyed Fallout 4 a great deal.

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Fallout 3 was Oblivion with Guns and as such it could be fun but it had nothing to do with the real Fallout games. 

Fallout 3 was about a kid looking for Dad, Fallout 4 was about a parent looking for his kid. That's what Bethesda can come up with. Those games are not worthy of the Fallout name.

Fallout 1 is my all time favourite video game. There is no other game that can compare to it not even Fallout 2 (too many cultural references breaking any sense of immersion). 

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7 hours ago, gloomseeker said:

Fallout 3 was Oblivion with Guns and as such it could be fun but it had nothing to do with the real Fallout games. 

Fallout 3 was about a kid looking for Dad, Fallout 4 was about a parent looking for his kid. That's what Bethesda can come up with. Those games are not worthy of the Fallout name.

Fallout 1 is my all time favourite video game. There is no other game that can compare to it not even Fallout 2 (too many cultural references breaking any sense of immersion). 

And 76 is vaulter looking for overseer. LOL. Guess next one could be man looking for dog. So yeah, glad to see these guys making another game and hope it doesn't end up falling into the hands of the likes of Bethesda. 

 

8 hours ago, Katarack21 said:


I think you're right about 76, but I personally enjoyed Fallout 4 a great deal.

The only thing I didn't care for with FO4 was the whole camp system and then they took it over to 76 like it was that great. But then that's just me.

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23 hours ago, C2B said:

In many respects, The Outer Worlds looks like a direct response to the gluttonous RPGs that have become so pervasive in the industry today. The Outer Worlds is a smaller, tighter, and more densely packed proposition than any of its immediate competition, a hand-crafted adventure that is designed to reflect your personality and preferred playstyle through its action and dialogue. "We're making the story that we're trying to tell; our story really lends itself to having smaller areas," Boyarsky continues. "This is a space science-fiction game, where you're a space hero that needs to fly around space and go to all of these different places. If we had just one big continuous map, it wouldn't really have the space opera fantasy/pulp sci-fi fantasy feel that we were going for."

Amen. Don't know how many I have played boasting it giant open worlds and what we end up with is alot of wasted nothing. If your going to have a big open world then make use of it with exploration, hidden treasures, resources,....something. Speaking of resources does this have any type of crafting in it? Hadn't thought about that till I typed that 😛

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14 hours ago, Anhur said:

Amen. Don't know how many I have played boasting it giant open worlds and what we end up with is alot of wasted nothing. If your going to have a big open world then make use of it with exploration, hidden treasures, resources,....something. Speaking of resources does this have any type of crafting in it? Hadn't thought about that till I typed that 😛

Open world fatigue is a real thing. Think a out Dragon Age Inquisition for instance. It ends up feeling like a second job which is clearly not the desired effect when you're sitting down to play a videogame. 

I think crafting is in but I've been trying to stay away from spoilers as much as possible so don't take my word for it. ;)

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9 hours ago, gloomseeker said:

Open world fatigue is a real thing. Think a out Dragon Age Inquisition for instance. It ends up feeling like a second job which is clearly not the desired effect when you're sitting down to play a videogame. 

I think crafting is in but I've been trying to stay away from spoilers as much as possible so don't take my word for it. ;)

Yeah tell me about it I got to like right before the final battle on that and stopped simply cause I had burned out. I also have tried to stay away from spoilers. Happened onto where someone posted a video about who/ what companions you get and how many on one of the forum posts. I didn't watch it but it was there in the title. I was like really? I didn't want to know that.

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I have to say I really like what this post had to say. They seem to have some of the misgivings about the current state of game development as we the players do. And it's good to ready that they have played the game through themselves and done so several times over. There are several games out there it is clear that those in charge of development and gameplay have not even played through their own product. It's a major reason why so many mmo's that came out fell to the side.  And Obsidian, keep making games types that companies have thrown to the side because it's not the current fad. I myself would love to see some turned based rpg's, good ones. I'm not the only one that misses those. I've found that out. Persona 4 proved that it's still a fun and viable battle type. Point is the industry has lost its variety due to hopping onto what ever the current fad is cloning it and riding till the wheels fall off (actually some are riding the hubs). So yeah put variety out there and take the time to polish it.

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