algroth Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 minute ago, injurai said: Gotcha. What does it mean to steal a nations GDP for an entire year? Like what... A lot of money, basically, which they've stolen over twelve years. My Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/alephg Currently playing: Roadwarden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injurai Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Stolen through shady contractors to private companies and the like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algroth Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, injurai said: Stolen through shady contractors to private companies and the like? More like government "plans" and "renovations" and "credits" and the likes. All fake, or heavily overestimated. Or just straight-up bribery too. My Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/alephg Currently playing: Roadwarden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 3 hours ago, algroth said: More like government "plans" and "renovations" and "credits" and the likes. All fake, or heavily overestimated. Or just straight-up bribery too. Another massive issue with Argentina is its constant and historical behavior of not wanting to pay international debts, its really bad and effects its credibility in the financial market But worst than that is not paying its Bonds debt and bondholders, this is like borrowing money from a bank and then refusing to pay back the loan. Its akin to stealing. I think this has been paid in most cases but again this adds to the credibility issue https://www.reuters.com/article/argentina-debt-ruling-idUSL1N12U24R20151030 http://static7.businessinsider.com/ap-argentina-pays-down-much-of-its-debt-us-judge-drops-orders-2016-4 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injurai Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 All countries hold debt as leverage. You default at your own risk. You also issue debt at your own risk. I don't know the specifics, but if Argentina is defaulting because they were given bad loans, then you have to go back to the issuer. Of course the issuer never wants to clear the debt, they just want to restructure enough so they renew their cash flow. Something is better than nothing. I've seen enough of Greece's situation to know better than blame it all on them. In fact I'd blame most of it on Germany and Brussels. Again, I have no idea if this is apropos of Argentina or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmp10 Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 15 hours ago, BruceVC said: But most events and outcomes of history dont get rewritten usually, they irrefutable. Not really. With 2 sides to every story and cheery-picking 'facts' you can come to great many conclusions about events. Cause and effect is never straightforward in human societies. US civil war is a pretty good example since IIRC south didn't even regard Gettysburg as a major defeat at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, pmp10 said: Not really. With 2 sides to every story and cheery-picking 'facts' you can come to great many conclusions about events. Cause and effect is never straightforward in human societies. US civil war is a pretty good example since IIRC south didn't even regard Gettysburg as a major defeat at the time. ' Okay but the South regarding Gettysburg as some sort of " victory ", which I find hard to believe, is not same as looking back and rewriting history Gettysburg was a Northern victory, this is irrefutable as are most events like this when we study history Edited May 19, 2019 by BruceVC "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 hour ago, pmp10 said: Not really. With 2 sides to every story and cheery-picking 'facts' you can come to great many conclusions about events. Cause and effect is never straightforward in human societies. US civil war is a pretty good example since IIRC south didn't even regard Gettysburg as a major defeat at the time. I want to raise something else around my overall point about most events in history being irrefutable and cant or shouldnt be rewritten I will use Gromnirs example around Lee as it supports my point. The question " was Lee a good general " , this is completely subjective and would involve nuance and deep analysis of the various battles he won or lost to come to some answer..and you still wont get agreement. This is normal with this type of historical question Personally I think he was an excellent general and I also dont think you should take down his statue in places like Virginia because it creates unnecessary invective and feeds both real and irrational fears of Southern culture and history being undermined But going back to Gettysburg, there should be no dispute around whose victory it was because we know the North won through comprehensive historical data and the actual outcome, I hope this makes sense ? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 213374U might chuckle a bit: 2 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Yeah, I was thinking about that, when you posted it the other day. Ibiza is already a cesspit, choice destination for hooligans, jacked up morons and the international "beautiful people". Now add corrupt politicians to the mix -- not that we didn't already have our own homegrown. Really not my kind of place. A shame because it's really nice, otherwise. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amentep Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 New thread: I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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