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Let me know when AOC is riding farting cows to work, then I'll get concerned. Honestly I could get used to having my own private jet.



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Cuomo is looking at running: https://www.theatlan...t-trump/583642/

 

Inslee jumped in last week. He just can't wait to have the ATF kick down our doors take everyone's guns away. Maybe kill a few while they are at it. After all if they resist they obviously don't vote Democrat so who needs them.  

 

Not sure if that comment is at Inslee or Cuomo? I don't know how extreme either guys gun policies are though, and only crazies and hyperventilators think that kind of thing is an actual serious thing that would happen (meaning I'm taking your comment as tongue-in-cheek rather than serious). Anyways, I thought Cuomo ruled himself out months ago, like, over six months ago. There was also something about former Gov. Hickenlooper possibly jumping in later this week, so, that one remains to be seen.

 

It was very much tongue-in-cheek. That is the the ax Inslee loves to grind. After DC v Heller and Mcdonald v Chicago the specter of (legal) firearms prohibition is greatly diminished. Not that the Democrats wouldn't love to do it. And not out of any concern for the safety and well being of the citizenry. They don't give a f--k about actual victims of gun violence other than how they might be used. Please believe me on that one. This is just the soap box Inslee chooses to shout from. much like Gore and his environmentalism. He is not and never has been a "true believer". He just chose the environmentalism as the horse to rise to power and relevancy. 



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Al Gore didn’t run a single-issue campaign though, Inslee is, that’s the main difference between the horses to power and relevancy. Kind of reminds me of O’Malleys campaign. While his wasn’t explicitly single issue on global warming, it was heavily centered around the issue, and he didn’t get very far. It doesn’t necessarily mean that a climate change centered campaign would fail at the Presidential level since there’s so many other factors, it does show potential limitations.

I fully expect the other candidates to co-opt his ideas or even build on them should any of it gain traction. I haven’t actually looked at his platform yet though, perhaps I should, just out of curiosity.

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I looked and his full plan isn’t up yet, but the statement seems boilerplate and the four points and pillars look standard, nothing to be awed about or differentiate from the pack yet

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If Gore had won his own home state he would have been President. Only two Presidents were ever elected having lost their home state: James Polk and Woodrow Wilson. In Gore's case, outside of college towns he was persona non grata at home over the whole Georgia Pacific thing in the early 90's. 



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You’re forgetting Trump, who lost NY https://en.wikipedia...ential_election , though Florida is practically a second home state for him. Then again, it's one thing to lose a home state which is already solidly for the other party and another to lose a home state which should be a feaseable win for that candidates party.


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SMH: http://reason.com/bl...ecording-police

 

To be honest I'm a little surprised they didn't smash her phone, beat the holy hell out of her then shoot her while handcuffed on the ground. You know the problem with police? They are often utterly ignorant of the laws they are supposed to be upholding. And that ignorance never seems to have any consequences. It is perfectly legal to video record police in the public. Even if she hadn't been asked to do so she was doing nothing wrong. Plus the desire to have authority over your fellow humans is a character flaw IMO. Much like political leaders anyone who WANTS to be one probably shouldn't be. Yes they are a necessary evil. But still an evil. 


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Hickenlooper is in: https://www.cnn.com/...aign/index.html

 

How many does that make now? I lost count. All I know is right this moment no one running for President at this moment in 2020 is getting my vote. 



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SMH: http://reason.com/bl...ecording-police

To be honest I'm a little surprised they didn't smash her phone, beat the holy hell out of her then shoot her while handcuffed on the ground. You know the problem with police? They are often utterly ignorant of the laws they are supposed to be upholding. And that ignorance never seems to have any consequences. It is perfectly legal to video record police in the public. Even if she hadn't been asked to do so she was doing nothing wrong. Plus the desire to have authority over your fellow humans is a character flaw IMO. Much like political leaders anyone who WANTS to be one probably shouldn't be. Yes they are a necessary evil. But still an evil.


And cops pout about people not respecting them.

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If Gore had won his own home state he would have been President. Only two Presidents were ever elected having lost their home state: James Polk and Woodrow Wilson. In Gore's case, outside of college towns he was persona non grata at home over the whole Georgia Pacific thing in the early 90's. 

 

Trump lost in New York



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Hickenlooper is in: https://www.cnn.com/...aign/index.html

 

How many does that make now? I lost count. All I know is right this moment no one running for President at this moment in 2020 is getting my vote. 

 

CNN article says 14, but it feels bigger than that, and yeah, you'd only vote for Libertarian. Or maybe independent or Democrat turned Libertarian, but even then, they'd be LINO's (Libertarian In Name Onlys).



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If Gore had won his own home state he would have been President. Only two Presidents were ever elected having lost their home state: James Polk and Woodrow Wilson. In Gore's case, outside of college towns he was persona non grata at home over the whole Georgia Pacific thing in the early 90's. 

 

Trump lost in New York

 

 

As I said though, it's one thing to lose a state which is solidly for the other party and one to lose a state which should have been a feaseable win for that candidates party. And of course, both candidates had the same state as their home state (Clinton as adopted New Yorker, Trump as New York born and bred), so, one of them is going to lose it regardless.

 

A check on wiki and a bit of google fu shows that in Polks case, it was that the Democrats had lost ground in Tennesee quite recently and there was some dynamics with a third party appearing and possibly stuff with the big issue of the day, Texas annexation. He also lost his birth state of North Carolina.

 

As for Woodrow Wilson, I can't seem to find out exactly why, but I think I'm getting hints that he alienated a lot of people in NJ despite once being a popular governor. That loss was in 1916 though, not his initial run in 1912.


Edited by smjjames, 04 March 2019 - 10:53 AM.


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I cant help but to feel like my brain is Benjamin Button-ing me: "If a person is not liberal when he is 20, he has no heart; if he is not conservative at 40, he has no head".

 

I am living exactly the opposite. The older I get, the softer I get, and now Im all like "F-it! I want free healthcare / housing / living allowance / wipe my hiney, too. LETS BURN THIS MOTHER DOWN!" So long as me and mine get some, the whole place can sink into the ocean in 70 years. :lol:



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Free healthcare isn't a liberal ideal, it's a realistic reaction for anyone who who looks at all the crap our health insurance companies do and how much money we give them every month. Add that to an incomprehensible medical provider billing system and I don't get why anyone thinks the current system is any good, progressive or conservative.
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There is no such thing as 'free healthcare'. It is make believe. Trust me on this. We Kanadians brag about our 'free health care'. It's anything but. MFAO



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But I am not, and never will be, "the rich". They can raise taxes sky high and would be hard pressed to affect my bracket in any meaningful way. Illinois need to find our version of AOC so I can vote this into existence in time for my kid, at least. :lol:


And weirdly, while all you free stuff are belong to me, Im getting less tolerant of "society" and the free-for-all its becoming. Sometimes I think "maybe the Chinese are on to something with social credit score system". Am I a nazi?

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There is no such thing as 'free healthcare'. It is make believe. Trust me on this. We Kanadians brag about our 'free health care'. It's anything but. MFAO

 

Sure. But the US still pays ridiculously more than everyone else. 

 

https://www.healthsy...alth-u-s-spends

 

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So using the chart, healthcare cost increases had already plateaued before ACA kicked in (2010) and then have been steadily rising again? Has ACA kept that rise lower than it would have been without it? I dunno, Im legitimately asking here. Is it WAI?

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I wonder how it'd look when adjusted for population size? Obviously part of the reason why we pay so much more is because we have so many more people, but that doesn't mean it can't be less expensive.

 

@Gifted1: No idea either. It'd require a deeper analysis. The average of comparable country averages shows a similar plateu-rise-plateu-rise pattern, if less pronounced and it happens at about the same time as the US one, so... theres some factor that influences the US one more than the other countries. Drug companies maybe?....


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I wonder how it'd look when adjusted for population size? Obviously part of the reason why we pay so much more is because we have so many more people, but that doesn't mean it can't be less expensive.

 

@Gifted1: No idea either. It'd require a deeper analysis. The average of comparable country averages shows a similar plateu-rise-plateu-rise pattern, if less pronounced and it happens at about the same time as the US one, so... theres some factor that influences the US one more than the other countries. Drug companies maybe?....

 

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