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https://www.politico...allenge-1235859 Weld somehow thinks he's going to be competitive in the New England area and possibly gain traction in California. Also, didn't John Huntsman Jr. try the NH focus strategy and totally bomb out of the primaries?

 

As for California and other places where it's possible to vote cross-party, it's certainly possible that some will vote strategically to undermine Trump (and I'm thinking of doing so, should the opportunity arise), but it'd probably be more effective during the general than the primaries.

 

He's barely going to be more than a non-biting gnat, though if he manages to get under Trumps skin, kudos to him.



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If Weld somehow manages a good showing in NH and looks like he can make a run of it I'll re-register as a Republican just to vote for him in the Primary.



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Edited by ktchong, 27 March 2019 - 05:07 AM.


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Edited by ktchong, 27 March 2019 - 05:07 AM.


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Ummm.... yeah, anyway back on topic...

 

Tulsi Gabbard seems to think a Trump indictment would have led to Civil War. https://thehill.com/...ed-to-civil-war

 

There is no doubt there are americans who are ready, willing, and able to start a new civil war over heavy handed government oppression. But one group of pols taking out another one every bit as dirty as they all are isn't that. It's just more noise from the two screaming poop throwing monkey tribes. Of couse since she is seeking the leadership of one of those tribes it's understandable she would over estimate their importance. 



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Wonder how that would play out.



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Not well



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Not well

 

Comments on Hill are disappointing, seem to assume the Trump folk would win handily cause they have the guns.   I guess people forget terrorism is a thing



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Comments on Hill are disappointing, seem to assume the Trump folk would win handily cause they have the guns. I guess people forget terrorism is a thing

Yeah, but guess what side does most homegrown terrorism too.

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Also have to consider external sources of terrorism which would just love that moment to strike.



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There is no doubt there are americans who are ready, willing, and able to start a new civil war over heavy handed government oppression.

If that were the case we'd have seen it decades ago. More likely we'll see a few isolated attacks and a lot of grumbling by folks who swear they're gonna get their guys elected or a slightly higher percentage of the vote come next election.

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A new "civil war" would not play out anything like the last one. There won't be any major battles or fighting over territory. What there would be is pockets of resistance where police and military can expect to be shot at, authority defied, etc. Anyone who tries to meet the US military in a real battle is just stupid. The insurrection wins by demoralizing the rest of the country into not fighting. Make it to worth the trouble. 

 

Of course that all really depends on what the casus beli is. You have to realize about 40% of Americans do not love their government. They don't outright hate it either. They tolerate it and it's BS. But it can easily cross a line  to make people fight. I always point to gun confiscation as the most likely cause. Because if t ever comes to that then there is no more Constitutional protection of anything. There is no law and what follows will be something I would not want to live through anyway. So for that I'd fight. 



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https://arstechnica....ht-law-tuesday/

 

Vote on Articles 11 and 13 passed.

 

Both provisions are maddeningly vague—laying out broad goals without providing much detail about how those goals can be achieved.


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A new "civil war" would not play out anything like the last one. There won't be any major battles or fighting over territory. What there would be is pockets of resistance where police and military can expect to be shot at, authority defied, etc. Anyone who tries to meet the US military in a real battle is just stupid. The insurrection wins by demoralizing the rest of the country into not fighting. Make it to worth the trouble.
 
Of course that all really depends on what the casus beli is. You have to realize about 40% of Americans do not love their government. They don't outright hate it either. They tolerate it and it's BS. But it can easily cross a line  to make people fight. I always point to gun confiscation as the most likely cause. Because if t ever comes to that then there is no more Constitutional protection of anything. There is no law and what follows will be something I would not want to live through anyway. So for that I'd fight.

I don't see anyone besides overly invested larpers claiming a civil war would be neatly split territory and conventional warfare. A closer model to what it would look like is the Syrian Civil War, where most major cities end up looking like the mysterious Aleppo.

Logistics of insurrection aside, my point is that the US government has been engaging in heavy handed government oppression for at least a century now and that if there were a group willing and able to revolt over this we would have seen it happen a long time ago. If gun confiscation actually happens, and not just to the bad people like antifa and muslims, I'm willing to bet you see a few attacks from scattered patriots and more effort on electing politicans who promise to give the guns back (to the right people) from these supposed rebels.

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All charges against Jusse Smolett have been dropped and the case has been sealed: https://www.tmz.com/...pped-dismissed/

 

Some people are going nuts over this but I'm just here like:

 

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Except for giving up his bond monies to the city. ;)



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https://arstechnica....ht-law-tuesday/
 
Vote on Articles 11 and 13 passed. 
 

Both provisions are maddeningly vague—laying out broad goals without providing much detail about how those goals can be achieved.


This just goes to show that no matter what country you're in, you can always find a politician confidently voting on something they don't understand.

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Some people are going nuts over this but I'm just here like:

 

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So are you ready to go full accelerationist and vote Bernie/Tulsi in '20 yet?


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"Mr. Smollett's volunteer service in the community"

 

L0L

 

 

"The statement is consistent with what our sources said about Jussie only getting community service if he'd been convicted."

 

Oh, come on. 

 

 

 

Now, if he is innocent and he's telling the truth who are the perpetrators and why did the two brothers lie and accuse him of setting it up? I've noticed that he has never once claimed that they were his attackers.

 

 

The logic makes no sense yet now all his supporters are gonna claim victory.

 

 

But, who committed the crime?



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Some people are going nuts over this but I'm just here like:

 

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So are you ready to go full accelerationist and vote Bernie/Tulsi in '20 yet?

 

Dream ticket in flight! Afternoon delight!






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