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Have any red or even purple states signed on? If not then I don't see the point really as those blue state votes are going Dem anyways

 

They need 270 electoral votes for it to go into force, they're at 181 now (89 to go) with 158 others in various stages of pending (some of them with a realistic path, some of them not...for the time being). That's the thing about once it goes through for a state - they only need one election that gives a state trifecta at worst (i.e. with zero Republican support) for it to go through, and once it's through, the Republicans will need a state trifecta to overturn it (well, once again, assuming zero Democratic support).

 

Right now, Delaware (3) and New Mexico (5) are awaiting governor's signature and likely to be approved soon. After that...a few other states seem likely to jump on board sooner or later (like Oregon and Michigan), but yeah, it'll still be a while before it happens, if ever.

 

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am admitted personal in favor o' a more reactionary approach to the popular vote for Presidency debates.

 

our suggestion is to return the Presidency to original 1787 roots... well, maybe 1804... or 1787 with a dash o' 1804?

 

have President be a relative apolitical office selected by wise men (and women) from across the nation who would be entrusted with the duty o' choosing a wise man (or woman) to lead a small executive branch tasked mainly with foreign policy negotiations and day-to-day mundanities o' government.

 

jefferson is the President who got things off-track.  rather than further embracing the mistakes o' jefferson, lincoln, wilson and fdr, perhaps we should instead try a fresh start.

 

is not a genuine suggestion, but much o' the federal govt. problems today is 'cause while the Court and Congress function, for the most part, as the founding fathers intended, the chief executive is a far different entity than were envisioned when the Constitution were original penned.  the scheme o' checks and balances only made sense when branches were coequal with different areas o' influence.  the executive now has its own judges and magistrates handling executive rule interpretations.  the executive may also functional legislate through department rules creation and executive orders.  the President is even grabbing for Congressional purse strings and may succeed 'cause Congress abdicated authority to the executive in times o' crisis, and the President can pretty much decide what is and ain't a crisis.

 

solution, from our pov, is to increase the distance o' the President from popular influence and to limit his powers to pre jeffersonian levels.  that ain't gonna happen though.  

 

but as to the electoral college specific, ignoring big picture concerns stated 'boveā€¦ meh.  is a handful o' elections which were determined by quirks o' the electoral college, and at least in the most recent case, weren't the electoral college as much as willful obtuseness by one candidate which determined the election.  were four key battleground states in 2016 and the democrat candidate largely ignored those states. change the system 'cause one candidate were epic stoopid? am having a hard time embracing our righteous indignation on this issue.  

 

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That's Endorsed License Required. Specifically it requires B (or C) cat. That's can only be legally fired at pistol clubs by members of said clubs (B class) and can be owned but may not be fired (C class; ie registered collectors). Both license endorsement and buying the gun is allowed on a case by case basis. They 100% aren't available to the general public and aren't available to hunters. The vast majority of pistols owned are in Olympic classes as that is just about the only reason accepted for owning them.

 

There are other exceptions too, Bill Clinton's Secret Service detachment was given B and E cat exemptions when they were here for APEC, for example.

 

The bunny thing is a volume issue, as it is with goats/ pigs/ deer etc. In some places the rabbit cull is 200/day per farm as they have very limited natural predators (and no myxomatosis either), deer, pigs, goats etc have no natural or introduced predators at all. While I'm not familiar much with the Dakotas I'd be confident the situation isn't even slightly similar.


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It's theoretically supposed to benefit Democrats, but I am curious to see how that actually works in practice. There's a lot of disenfranchised people on both sides that are either taken for granted or simply ignored in the presidential race because of the electoral college. It makes me wonder how a popular vote election will affect the margins in places like California when people - on both sides - realize that their vote will actually affect the vote totals, which then have an effect on who's elected.

 

Interesting thing about this National Popular Vote Interstate Compact is that it's not *that* easy to overturn once enacted, so when - if - it ever comes to be, it could seriously change the reality of our elections for a time to come. To overturn in any given state effectively requires a state trifecta, so if the Democrats find that it actually ends up harming them instead of helping, they could find it very difficult to overturn it in all but the bluest of states, and then a few red trifecta states could jump in and reinforce it, effectively taking their place and reinstating it. It's hard to see us going back to the electoral college once it passes that threshold. Will be very interesting to see how that affects national politics if it comes to be.

 

I'm more interested in ranked choice voting to actually introduce the possibility of third parties, but that's almost certainly even farther off than this compact (and I assume it all has to be state-enacted - think states are guaranteed the right to hold their own elections how they want, right?).

I am very much a fan of ranked choice voting. But it will never happen so long as the D & R have an absolute monopoly on the political process. If we are ever going to see 3rd & 4th parties in this country we are going to have to force them down their throats by actually VOTING for them and getting over this stupid notion that by refusing two terrible choices we are somehow "wasting" our vote.

 

Setting aside the Democrat dream of popular vote elections the thing they are talking about that concerns me the most as adding six more Supreme Court Justices. That is much ore do-able and is nothing less than a naked grab for power. 



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Always found the flash suppressor an odd item on these assault weapon bans. Not sure that adds all that much to the threat of a weapon.



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It makes the weapon "scary". Like Gromnir said there really isn't more to it than that. It's a bunch of idiots who find themselves in elected office because they are too stupid or incompetent  to earn a honest living. They don't know s--t about s--t but feel that can still make policy about the s--t they know nothing about. They thin that  because they think are better an more enlightened human beings than the "little people" simply because they happened to be the least despicable choice in the previous election. 



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True, but had wondered at the thinking.  Bit off topic, but I found everything about this video too funny to not share

 



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It's theoretically supposed to benefit Democrats, but I am curious to see how that actually works in practice. There's a lot of disenfranchised people on both sides that are either taken for granted or simply ignored in the presidential race because of the electoral college. It makes me wonder how a popular vote election will affect the margins in places like California when people - on both sides - realize that their vote will actually affect the vote totals, which then have an effect on who's elected.


In practice the big losers would be the population of "swing states", which have dominated focus by virtue of being the only place in contest according to conventional wisdom. Big winner would be population dense urban areas, which would gain power regardless of state. The bigger states would get more attention, but you'd see stuff like Republicans going to California and New York or Democrats going to Texas that doesn't really happen at present. The small states with less than 5 votes in the EC would take a hit, but at present nobody gives a **** about them unless it's campaign season and they're an early primary or swing state anyways. Overall there probably would be less of an impact on the results of presidential elections and just a change of how candidates go about campaigning, if anything we might see an increase in outside parties because a shift in perception of how votes matter but I doubt it would be anything like the Green Party or Libertarian Party grabbing more than 10% of the popular vote.

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It's theoretically supposed to benefit Democrats, but I am curious to see how that actually works in practice. There's a lot of disenfranchised people on both sides that are either taken for granted or simply ignored in the presidential race because of the electoral college. It makes me wonder how a popular vote election will affect the margins in places like California when people - on both sides - realize that their vote will actually affect the vote totals, which then have an effect on who's elected.

 

Interesting thing about this National Popular Vote Interstate Compact is that it's not *that* easy to overturn once enacted, so when - if - it ever comes to be, it could seriously change the reality of our elections for a time to come. To overturn in any given state effectively requires a state trifecta, so if the Democrats find that it actually ends up harming them instead of helping, they could find it very difficult to overturn it in all but the bluest of states, and then a few red trifecta states could jump in and reinforce it, effectively taking their place and reinstating it. It's hard to see us going back to the electoral college once it passes that threshold. Will be very interesting to see how that affects national politics if it comes to be.

 

I'm more interested in ranked choice voting to actually introduce the possibility of third parties, but that's almost certainly even farther off than this compact (and I assume it all has to be state-enacted - think states are guaranteed the right to hold their own elections how they want, right?).

I am very much a fan of ranked choice voting. But it will never happen so long as the D & R have an absolute monopoly on the political process. If we are ever going to see 3rd & 4th parties in this country we are going to have to force them down their throats by actually VOTING for them and getting over this stupid notion that by refusing two terrible choices we are somehow "wasting" our vote.

 

Setting aside the Democrat dream of popular vote elections the thing they are talking about that concerns me the most as adding six more Supreme Court Justices. That is much ore do-able and is nothing less than a naked grab for power. 

 

 

I have concerns myself on adding more SCOTUS justices since court stuffing is something you usually see in dictatorships/illiberal-democracies, but other than that, it's also ripe for tit-for-tat since what's going to stop the Republicans from doing the same thing? Or un-stuffing it even.


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It makes the weapon "scary".

 

It's an 'assault rifle' feature like, uh, semi automatic fire.

 

If there's one thing I thought was really stupid about our PM's presentation on the law changes it was her constantly referring to assault rifles, because if she really wanted people to hand them in voluntarily the worse thing she could do is look like a clueless townie trying to appeal to the fears of people who don't own the weapons in question instead of addressing those who do. I'd also have to say that having read the local paper yesterday I have a fair bit more sympathy for Gromnir getting things wrong, they managed to say that all s/a weapons apart from .22 had been banned in 3 separate articles. It takes 30 seconds to read the police release on the matter, and they get them emailed to them automatically but getting it right is far too much work it seems.

 

OTOH, 'silencers' look scary but aren't banned here. Guess, technically, they make a gun safer since they reduce muzzle velocity but I'm not entirely sure that's the reasoning used.



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You can get silencers and actual assault rifles and even machine guns here in the US but you have to go through the gov't and they are pretty pricey increasing from left to right as I listed them.

 

Not sure if you guys have a different definition of assault rifles but ours is based on firing function and caliber not cosmetic or ease of use features. Now our assault weapons definitions vary by locality and always include cosmetic and ease of use features

 

I'm generally for expanding the SCOTUS though I think it should be in a phased approached so one person/party can't stack the deck. I also think they need to adopt a code of ethics and having more members will allow them to recuse themselves more easily as I've seen that excuse used before as to why they haven't when they probably should have. But that's just like my opinion, man.



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Mueller has now finished the Russia probe and delivered his report to the AG.

Needs to be leaked already....



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Mueller's report has been filed.

 

(e): and smjjames beat me by seconds. Brutal, :(.


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Not sure if you guys have a different definition of assault rifles..

 

The term they should have used was 'Military Style Semi Automatics' as that's the correct* term under our legislation. So far as I'm aware we use the standard definition of Assault Rifle ('centrefire mid calibre rifle length gun capable of select fire').

 

*As of 3pm Thursday at least, before that they were standard A cat weapons and not specifically categorised except when paired with high capacity magazines.


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actual footage o' the nz bunnie problem.

 

 

if only the poor dumb fool had a semi-auto... or if those +90 pistol shooting clubs in new zealand 'could get their act together.

 

*shrug*

 

regardless, amentep likely recognizes the movie as night of the lepus, which starred marion crane and dr. mccoy, or rather, janet leigh and deforest kelly.

 

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Plus one of the other Enterprise doctors, Paul Fix. But no Hoyt Axton for the STTOS hat-trick...
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for simpson's fans, the movie also answers the question asked by at least a few, "who the hell is rory calhoun?"

 

 

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actual footage o' the nz bunnie problem.

 

 

Well, if you insist...

 

 

There you go. Historic report, but the only thing which has changed is Calicivirus being released (illegally) and rabbits are immune to the strain here now. And of course all the footage is daytime, with rabbits mostly being nocturnal.



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actual footage o' the nz bunnie problem.

 

 

Well, if you insist...

 

 

There you go. Historic report, but the only thing which has changed is Calicivirus being released (illegally) and rabbits are immune to the strain here now. And of course all the footage is daytime, with rabbits mostly being nocturnal.

 

so, 30 year old footage?  *snort*  and again you miss the point.  is not numbers which is a concern.  can fire pretty darn fast with lever or bolt... or is this another case o' zor being concerned 'bout tackling during a reload?   angry lepus tackling farmers during a reload? farmers need semi-auto to protect themselves?  

 

https://www.nzherald...jectid=11944891

 

so folks facing a limited area plague, worthy o' special media coverage in 2017, is culling unconfirmed 200 rabbits a week as 'posed to 200 a night zor mentioned earlier in the thread, and again, they aren't gigantic bunnies which is gonna shrug off a bullet wound. 

 

being ridiculous 'bout the semi-auto for bunnies, but am doubting am arguing with any save zor at this point.  not gonna need convince anybody else and cannot convince zor, so...

 

now for bear...

 

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Edited by Gromnir, 22 March 2019 - 07:54 PM.


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https://www.nzherald...jectid=11944891
 
so folks facing a limited area plague, worthy o' special media coverage in 2017, is culling unconfirmed 200 rabbits a week as 'posed to 200 a night zor mentioned earlier in the thread, and again, they aren't gigantic bunnies which is gonna shrug off a bullet wound.

This is New Zealand, our usual news cycle is 'cat rescued from tree' level. But in any case, from the article you're citing:
 

In the middle of one day, he stood in the same spot on a Moeraki farm for two and a-half hours and shot 46 rabbits, he said.
"There's more rabbits in town than on the outskirts. The last thing I want to do is lose my firearms licence, but I reckon I could take out 1000 around town in a couple of weeks."

 

Why do you even bother posting articles when you never bother to read them.

 

FYI, Moeraki is miniscule- population of, 60.


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