Bartimaeus Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Less than what his lawyers asked for. White collar crime continues to pay for the fines and punishment you receive when you actually get caught...and never mind all those who don't get caught. Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Less than what his lawyers asked for. White collar crime continues to pay for the fines and punishment you receive when you actually get caught...and never mind all those who don't get caught. the different standard for white collar crimes were the norm... before enron. since then, particular for public stuff, sentences has been quite a bit harsher. skilling got 24 years (?) and lay died after sentencing and before serving any time... something like 40 years for lay? kenneth rice, who cooperated fully with authorities, got 2ish years... again, am a little fuzzy on exact sentence length. if manafort were immediate post enron, am thinking it would be understandable for a holdout judge to issue a stop the madness kinda sentence as similar white collar nogoodnik cases were getting extreme long sentences w/o any explanation as to why there had been such a sea change from ye bad olde days. however, this is 2019 and not 2005, so am a little surprised. will need look at last few years to see what is typical sentence for manafort kinda stuff. am also gonna note how these individual sentences may look strange when viewed isolated. typical fed sentences for firearm and drug charges is ~5 years. is not hard to find examples o' exceptions, particular for state-level cases, but am speaking o' average. nevertheless, am gonna admit there should be some kinda look into over-the-top sentencing in a few jurisdictions for firearm possession crimes and for drug offenses. as to violent crimes... am admitted conflicted. you threaten or use violence to commit a crime and am understanding why the public has typical demanded higher sentences. likely has become excessive in a few cases, but democracy being what it is... HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Finland's cabinet quits over failure to deliver healthcare reform. Aw man, if they cant figure it out, how am I ever supposed to get my freebies? "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadySands Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 47 months for Manafort. Bah, I had bet on 8 years. I guessed probation but I have negative zero faith in our system Free games updated 3/4/21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I spit coffee all over my desk when I saw this! "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Whos that? "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadySands Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) Beto O'Rourke He is a former congressman from Texas and ran against Ted Cruz's beard last year but lost a fairly close race Edited March 8, 2019 by ShadySands 1 Free games updated 3/4/21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 The shirt in the background should have been a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadySands Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Only if you follow politics and races in other states Free games updated 3/4/21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 47 months for Manafort. Bah, I had bet on 8 years. I guessed probation but I have negative zero faith in our system The sentence seems inadequate for many but Manafort did cooperate on certain issues and he also will be sentenced next week for other crimes he committed so his current sentence should,be extended ? https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/432959-manafort-faces-first-round-of-sentencing "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 The House voted in a resolution to allow non-citizens in the US illegally to vote. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/8/house-votes-favor-illegal-immigrant-voting/ Now, this actually is a symbolic gesture because it does not actually do anything. And if it were a real bill it would never be accepted by the Senate or President so this is all just a lot of noise. But it IS an extremely stupid thing to do if they want to retain their hold on the House or put a jackass in the White House in '20. This is going to (and was meant to) infuriate the Trump base. The last thing you want to do it piss them off enough to make them vote in large numbers. The smart thing is keep a lid on your more extreme members as much as possible and spend two years quietly advancing your left wing BS and loudly tripping up Trump and making him look like a buffoon. The idea would be to make him look ineffective not just BE ineffective. You want to depress the voters who oppose you. Not make them rabid and chomping at the bit to vote. Pelosi might be evil but she isn't stupid. She was off to a good start with this. But like I've said before... they just can't help themselves. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I'm gonna call BS on your source for a lack of details of what exactly the Democrats are doing to allegedly 'give illegals voting rights' and just going 'ARGLEBARGLE! BROWN PPL GONNA VUTE!". Looking elsewhere to get the information that article lacks, I believe you're referring to the automatic voter registration stuff? It has stuff like a constitutional amendment to repeal Citizens United, which would be easier to do via normal legislation or through the courts than a constitutional amendment, so, yeah, it's obviously not meant to be serious. As for Pelosi, pretty sure she was pushed into doing the HR 1 thing by the new freshmen/women class. Seems like she is having trouble managing the leftward push. Obviously, she is doing what she can, but she's pretty much dealing with the Democrats version of the Tea Party movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injurai Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 In case you ever need more proof that American television is the worst medium by which to track unfolding events. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I'm gonna call BS on your source for a lack of details of what exactly the Democrats are doing to allegedly 'give illegals voting rights' and just going 'ARGLEBARGLE! BROWN PPL GONNA VUTE!". Looking elsewhere to get the information that article lacks, I believe you're referring to the automatic voter registration stuff? It has stuff like a constitutional amendment to repeal Citizens United, which would be easier to do via normal legislation or through the courts than a constitutional amendment, so, yeah, it's obviously not meant to be serious. As for Pelosi, pretty sure she was pushed into doing the HR 1 thing by the new freshmen/women class. Seems like she is having trouble managing the leftward push. Obviously, she is doing what she can, but she's pretty much dealing with the Democrats version of the Tea Party movement. It's just one part of HR 1. It's just a resolution. It's meaningless. It's political patter to make their team happy and piss off the other team. Neither is a particularly wise strategy but... they can't help themselves. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadySands Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 That's really dumb either way. Free games updated 3/4/21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maedhros Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/feb/28/girl-11-gives-birth-to-rapists-child-after-argentina-refuses-abortion Catholics are the worst christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 In case you ever need more proof that American television is the worst medium by which to track unfolding events. I can understand the valid and understandable criticism around this entire subterfuge, it is really unacceptable what Smollett did and this will cost him his career which is exactly what he deserves But it is fairly common for certain events in most countries to immediately get a response and opinion from politicians and some in the media, I wouldn't see this as unique to the USA. People should rather only comment once the facts are known...less embarrassing "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 In this case Bruce they WANTED it to be true. They wanted this to be true more than anything. Because in their minds everyone that disagrees with them politically is a racist, homophobic, white, male, nazi. Because obviously who else could support Trump in their minds. No comes this story that validates all their preconceptions and the jump all over it. I think Smolett knew that would happen and that is why he did it. But like a lot of people he underestimated the investigative abilities of the police. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elerond Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Finland's cabinet quits over failure to deliver healthcare reform. Aw man, if they cant figure it out, how am I ever supposed to get my freebies? They tried to make it more like the system that you have now. Freedom of choice and more privatization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 If it isn't broke, don't fix it? "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elerond Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 If it isn't broke, don't fix it? Yeah that was general consensus and government failed multiple time to ensure that their changes follow our constitution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/feb/28/girl-11-gives-birth-to-rapists-child-after-argentina-refuses-abortion Catholics are the worst christians. Hold on here, the protestants here in Texas would gladly do the same with the reasoning "just put it up for adoption lol". All sides of the cross are **** fam. 1 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "I'm gonna hunt you down so that I can slap you square in the mouth." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "Am I phrasing in the most negative light for them? Yes, but it's not untrue." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/world/middleeast/shamima-begum-baby-isis.html What do you guys think about this development, in summary when ISIS created its false caliphate in 2014 there propaganda machinery attracted several thousand Sunni Muslims to make the egregious mistake of leaving Western countries to actually travel and join the ISIS in there brutal campaigns in various ME areas Most of these people have been killed but there are also the ISIS families who are now interned in camps in Syria where it can be decided what to do with them This young lady wants to now go back to the UK, she was also initially pregnant but lost the baby, as she was a UK citizen before she ran away at the age of 15 to join ISIS. I would absolutely refuse her any entry back to the UK which is exactly what happened ....she made her bed and now needs to live with it "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injurai Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 In this case Bruce they WANTED it to be true. They wanted this to be true more than anything. Because in their minds everyone that disagrees with them politically is a racist, homophobic, white, male, nazi. Because obviously who else could support Trump in their minds. No comes this story that validates all their preconceptions and the jump all over it. I think Smolett knew that would happen and that is why he did it. But like a lot of people he underestimated the investigative abilities of the police. I think it's worse than that. While the "fascist patriarchy" is certainly the favorite boogey-man to rail against. It's really a complacent buy-in into reactionary format that underpins all of those programs that found their way into that compilation. It's their modus operandi. It is their product, not a by-product of merely jumping to conclusions. They are "authoritative sources" (by their own construction) that hold up narratives to the eyes of a near-sighted of the populace while they hold the real story behind their back in which only the far-sighted can see if they get lucky to catch a reflection in a distance mirror. When they don't have a story they concoct the one that gets them the most immediate views. It's constructing narratives through omission, and getting away with outright lies based on intentional premature reporting where they always have a "mea culpa" out. They insert themselves in-between portions of the populace that don't readily communicate, but not a goodwill brokers but as highway-men. It's a mob that will protect not your physical safety but your social perception if you pay your dues. It's like they sell futures on junk collateralized-narrative-obligation-backed securities in a socio-political economy. What we see in that video is just one flavor of this, the reactionary progressive flavor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadySands Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/world/middleeast/shamima-begum-baby-isis.html What do you guys think about this development, in summary when ISIS created its false caliphate in 2014 there propaganda machinery attracted several thousand Sunni Muslims to make the egregious mistake of leaving Western countries to actually travel and join the ISIS in there brutal campaigns in various ME areas Most of these people have been killed but there are also the ISIS families who are now interned in camps in Syria where it can be decided what to do with them This young lady wants to now go back to the UK, she was also initially pregnant but lost the baby, as she was a UK citizen before she ran away at the age of 15 to join ISIS. I would absolutely refuse her any entry back to the UK which is exactly what happened ....she made her bed and now needs to live with it I'd let them all back in then put them on trial And regarding the Jussie Smollet thing, it's not difficult to find other cases from either side of the aisle of people wanting someone to be guilty of whatever bad thing to confirm what they already believe about that person/group/organization. Edited March 9, 2019 by ShadySands 2 Free games updated 3/4/21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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