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Might is botched the same way as in PoE1


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Boeroer's point was that if someone's emotional state is so affected by an issue in a computer game, they probably have difficulties with their life and should pay attention to it. It's a perfectly valid statement.


Would you like me to link the topic you created about "ship combat being broken" bc you cant GTA boats or any other number of complaints that can easily be dismissed as unreasonable or dramatic?

Edited by Verde, 06 February 2019 - 09:07 AM.


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Boeroer's point was that if someone's emotional state is so affected by an issue in a computer game, they probably have difficulties with their life and should pay attention to it. It's a perfectly valid statement.


Would you like me to link the topic you created about "ship combat being broken" bc you cant GTA boats or any other number of complaints that can easily be dismissed as unreasonable or dramatic?

 

 

I did not create the topic. I wrote nothing dramatic. You may regard the topic as valid or not, either way is fine with me. Please get your facts straight, and you might also pay attention to the tone people write in.



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You didn't create it but took unreasonable offense. Clearly too deeply invested in a feature that never got fleshed out to your expectations. How ironic.

Edited by Verde, 06 February 2019 - 09:17 AM.


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I did not take any offense at all. So, your first claim about me creating the topic was wrong, and now your second claim is nothing but your interpretation, which is also wrong. This is not going well for you. Also: beside the point, so let's stop right here. Thanks.



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I did not take any offense at all. So, your first claim about me creating the topic was wrong, and now your second claim is nothing but your interpretation, which is also wrong. This is not going well for you. Also: beside the point, so let's stop right here. Thanks.


As is your interpretation of some online stranger's life which you know nothing about. Agreed, time to stop.

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You didn't create it but took unreasonable offense. Clearly too deeply invested in a feature that never got fleshed out to your expectations. How ironic.

 

I don't understand why you're trying to go on a war path here.

 

Also, actual quote from xzar_monty in that thread: "It makes no sense whatsoever, but I've decided to let it lie."

 

That doesn't sound like taking unreasonable offense, but having issues with something that's messed up but making peace with it. Let's not distort what people are saying to fit your own aggrieved narrative.


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You didn't create it but took unreasonable offense. Clearly too deeply invested in a feature that never got fleshed out to your expectations. How ironic.

I don't understand why you're trying to go on a war path here.

Also, actual quote from xzar_monty in that thread: "It makes no sense whatsoever, but I've decided to let it lie."

That doesn't sound like taking unreasonable offense, but having issues with something that's messed up but making peace with it. Let's not distort what people are saying to fit your own aggrieved narrative.
If you read the entire topic you will see how he does not let it lie, but instead keeps pushing it. And it's not the first time, but pretty frequently actually.

I have no narrative except to stop the Deadfire mob. Literally unplayable.

Edited by Verde, 06 February 2019 - 09:27 AM.


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I also didn't understand the giant part.

 

OP is talking about being aumaua.

 

It's always so interesting, in a genre that is predicated on the fantastic and limited only by one's imagination, that some people (OP included) are really stuck in a particular mindset of how a game must be and that vision is generally based on a very tolkien-esque rendition of AD&D. Kind of antithetical to the genre's point.

 

Regarding aumaua: indeed, yes, you're right. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

As for the paradox you've mentioned: yep, it's absolutely delightful. And almost incomprehensible. Interestingly, this phenomenon can also be seen in fantasy literature: much of it is just staggeringly poor, umpteenth-generation Tolkien-derivative drivel. And then, every once in a while, when something spectacularly good appears (like Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun, which is clearly fantasy but not only fantasy), its success is somewhat hampered by the fact that it doesn't follow the rules (like, what rules?).



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Please, Verde, for the sake of simple human courtesy, do not tell lies. I did not take offense. You are not going to be able to demonstrate that I did, because I did not. Do not take your own interpretation as truth.


Edited by xzar_monty, 06 February 2019 - 09:29 AM.


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https://forums.obsid...o-broken/page-1

You didn't create it but took unreasonable offense. Clearly too deeply invested in a feature that never got fleshed out to your expectations. How ironic.

I don't understand why you're trying to go on a war path here.

Also, actual quote from xzar_monty in that thread: "It makes no sense whatsoever, but I've decided to let it lie."

That doesn't sound like taking unreasonable offense, but having issues with something that's messed up but making peace with it. Let's not distort what people are saying to fit your own aggrieved narrative.

 

If you read the entire topic you will see how he does not let it lie, but instead keeps pushing it. And it's not the first time, but pretty frequently actually.

I have no narrative except to stop the Deadfire mob. Literally unplayable.

 

 
the only person who has been so thoroughly hostile is you. xzar_monty even agreed with OP on the basic point (literally "The OP definitely has a point"), and boeroer (whom you've also been picking at this thread) didn't say anything unreasonable and even extra-clarified his sentiment to you. whatever, maybe this is just an off day because the only person i'm seeing in this thread coming out fists-swinging is you.
 

As for the paradox you've mentioned: yep, it's absolutely delightful. And almost incomprehensible. Interestingly, this phenomenon can also be seen in fantasy literature: much of it is just staggeringly poor, umpteenth-generation Tolkien-derivative drivel. And then, every once in a while, when something spectacularly good appears (like Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun, which is clearly fantasy but not only fantasy), its success is somewhat hampered by the fact that it doesn't follow the rules (like, what rules?).


I remember how friggin controversial it was when blizzard made their Paladin in D2 black, and when in warcraft night elves (*cough* their version of drow *cough*) were morally good instead of morally evil. It's weird how oddly unwilling-to-change the fantasy genre audience can sometimes be.


Edited by thelee, 06 February 2019 - 09:35 AM.


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I certainly don't appreciate posters drawing the conclusion that TC has issues is his or her life when I've seen you all get upset at really minor stuff in this game. So if that makes me the bad guy, so be it. Really this topic should have been shut down when that was brought out.

Edited by Verde, 06 February 2019 - 09:35 AM.


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I certainly don't appreciate posters drawing the conclusion that TC has issues is his or her life when I've seen you all get upset at really minor stuff in this game. So if that makes me the bad guy, so be it. Really this topic should have been shut down when that was brought out.

 

Seriously I think you need to work on your reading comprehension. No one is assuming OP of having mental health or life issues. Boeroer said something that had one meaning (which he explicitly clarified), and the only other follow up was speculation on what boeroer was saying (which was corrected when boeroer clarified it and only brought back up when you chose to quote it out of thread context).

 

I think I'm good and done here.


Edited by thelee, 06 February 2019 - 09:39 AM.


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I certainly don't appreciate posters drawing the conclusion that TC has issues is his or her life when I've seen you all get upset at really minor stuff in this game. So if that makes me the bad guy, so be it. Really this topic should have been shut down when that was brought out.

 

Seriously I think you need to work on your reading comprehension.

 

This. Very simply, this.



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Boeroer's point was that if someone's emotional state is so affected by an issue in a computer game, they probably have difficulties with their life and should pay attention to it. It's a perfectly valid statement.



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I completely understood everything you said. The same could be said bout spending most of, if not all, your free time on a board - being too deeply invested.


I do spend a lot of time on this board. But I don't get riled up while doing so. So - emotionally I don't seem to be too deeply invested here. I'm not sad if somebody attacks me personally, I'm not frustrated if people write utter nonsense. I just post a puckish reply and am happy. :)

I was also not suggesting that OP indeed has mental problems - but rather that he might not be as "sad" as he made it sound. And if (and only if) he's really sad about those few wrongly scripted MIG checks (and that's what it's all about!): that's not good. I don't think you can argue with that. I mean you surely can, but it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense.

Edited by Boeroer, 06 February 2019 - 09:49 AM.


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 For all I care you can do the Rumpelstiltskin dance until you feel better or drink a bottle of scotch to cope with the frustration.

 

I'm fairly certain this is the unofficial swedish national sport.


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Drinking in Sweden is rather expensive as long as you don't distill your own blinding stuff. So maybe not. The dance on the other hand... ;)

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It's weird how oddly unwilling-to-change the fantasy genre audience can sometimes be.

 

I speculate, that it is because one has to relate to something that has been established before if it can't be related to something that can be found IRL. Like, one assumes, that kith in Eora have human-like physiology. They breathe, eat, have a heart, brain, liver e.t.c. and it all works the same way as IRL. That lead poisoning, or decapitation are lethal, and there are (lots) confirmations of that during the game. Gravity works the same – you trip, you fall. Water is wet. Acid burns. And than one gets introduced to the fantasy elements. A human attribute that governs the power of magic? How does one imagine something like that? By using an former established, and well described example of the similar. From a book, or another game. And this is than the "rule" of how stuff like that should work.

 

Hope that makes any sense? =)


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for me, one of the great aspects of poe is that theres no 'magic' stat, and spellcasters can switch up their attributes like martial classes. an alpha strike nuke mage can emphasise might and perception, a control mage can run dex and intellect etc. its magic as an expression of the whole person, rather than of one discrete attribute/resource.


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OP wants to play a character with magic who is weak physically. It is bad that there are still checks that treat Might as a physical stat. However OP can just skip those faulty dialog options and pretend that they are not meant for their character. Roleplaying involves many things and deciding which dialog options make sense for your character is one of them.


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