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Deadfire won't win RPG of the year (VGA's)


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Poland. The official name is extended indeed, but even TV and press usually just refer to it by its common name of "Eurovision".

 

Its name was not really part of the point I was trying to make, I can call it a "****fest" if I want to (probably fits better too).



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Oh, please call it "Grand Prix Eurovision de la Chanson". ;)

 

It was surely the worst show on television until "Inhumans" came out... 



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The cast of Inhumans just looks like a variation of Rogue 1. Just look at the poster, other than the two main characters, the others are pretty much Cassian, Jyn, Chirrut and a slimmer version of Baze :D

 

Totally not derailing the thread here.


Edited by Manveru123, 07 December 2018 - 07:18 AM.


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I thought Eurovision was an unapologetic parody dance competition or something. It wasn't supposed to be taken seriously. VGA in comparison though...

 

In retrospect, MHW winning the RPG category should have been expected. I remember in past VGAs, the RPG category was always treated as an afterthought despite being one of the most prominent and oldest genres in the history of videogames. I mean, the award this year did get announced during the pre-show instead of the main event, meaning the developers didn't even get a chance to give a speech or anything and it was done to get them out of the way quickly. Persona 5 fans last year had the exact same complaint about the show and were actually really miffed about it.

 

MHW being in the RPG category should have also been a clear sign that it was going to win it as a pity award instead of Game of the Year which it was also nominated for.

 

(Capcom developers also used the event to announce that there's something in store for Monster Hunter in a few days, and it's mildly obvious that the event has a greater emphasis on being a vector for advertisement rather than an actual awards show at this point. And this isn't even me being salty at all, again I'm thrilled that MHW won, but also like many other MHW fans, still wondering what the hell it was even doing in the RPG category in the first place. A quick glance at the reddit tells you that the general mood is like 'that's great, but what?')


Edited by Saito Hikari, 07 December 2018 - 11:45 AM.


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RPGs weren't ever a prominent genre.

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RPGs weren't ever a prominent genre.

Really? Compared to something like FPS which didn't really exist until later, especially when it comes to consoles?

 

Then again, RPG isn't a prominent genre when one looks at it as a genre that is largely Japanese-dominated outside of a few big Western studios, and the VGA is largely a western-centric show, so I suppose you're right about that. The only time the western gaming press at large really took RPGs seriously in recent memory was when Skyrim and TW3 were released.


Edited by Saito Hikari, 07 December 2018 - 12:36 PM.


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I only had a vague idea of what Eurovision is. But I still understood the joke.



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RPGs weren't ever a prominent genre.

Just looking at two periods that don't even include the most popular RPGs.
1998-2002: Planescape: Torment, Fallout 2, Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind, Final Fantasy 8-11, Deus Ex, Baldur's Gate 2, Diablo 2, Icewind Dale, Anachronox, Gothic 2, Arcanum, System Shock 2, and Arx Fatalis.
2008-2012: Skyrim, New Vegas, Dark Souls, Diablo 3, Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect 2/3, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Torchlight 2, Bastion, Witcher 2.
That's not mentioning Pokemon, Ultima, World of Warcraft.

What do other game genres look like? Only FPS and platformers have been more prominent, and not all the time.

Edited by AwesomeOcelot, 07 December 2018 - 02:15 PM.


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World of Warcraft is an RPG (that I never played) and afaik it's among the most prominent games - maybe the most prominent there is. Even my parents and their neighbors heard about it... And they are ooold. And they have no smartphones.

 

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I know! Right?


Edited by Boeroer, 08 December 2018 - 01:55 AM.

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There were some gaping holes between good cRPG releases, and still are, so I've picked up jRPG early and because of that I constantly have something new to play. That's for nearly 30 years (and I'm still behind lol).



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World of Warcraft is an RPG (that I never played) and afaik it's among the most prominent games - maybe the most prominent there is. Even my parents and their neighbors heard about it... And they are ooold. And they have no smartphones.

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I know! Right?

WoW is an MMO which isn't the same as single player RPG like Deadfire. However there are a few RPGs I would put up into the same echelon of pop culture popularity as WoW, including Mass Effect 2 (ARPG for the ADHD), Witcher 3, and Fallout 3. Most other RPGs are just known in inner circles imho. To me it's a travesty that of all the Mass Effects, ME2 is considered the best, when I personally felt it was the Michael Bay-equivalent.

Edited by Verde, 08 December 2018 - 06:35 AM.


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It's an MMORPG. The most dominant games now are massively social versions of traditional genres.



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It's an MMORPG. The most dominant games now are massively social versions of traditional genres.


A persistent online RPG is different than a single player RPG is the distinction I'm making. No one knows about Deadfire. My friends even forgot. But they all know about Fallout 76.

Edited by Verde, 08 December 2018 - 08:48 AM.


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WoW is an MMO which isn't the same as single player RPG like Deadfire.

I didn't say that it is a single player RPG. It is an RPG nonetheless and thus fits as an counterexample for the initial statement.

World of Warcraft (WoW) is a massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) released in 2004 by Blizzard Entertainment.


Edited by Boeroer, 08 December 2018 - 08:53 AM.


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It's an MMORPG. The most dominant games now are massively social versions of traditional genres.


A persistent online RPG is different than a single player RPG is the distinction I'm making. No one knows about Deadfire. My friends even forgot. But they all know about Fallout 76.

 

 

I'm not sure we are disagreeing. I am saying it's an mmo, but it's an rpg too. There is a craving for rpgs just most people would rather game socially now.



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It's an MMORPG. The most dominant games now are massively social versions of traditional genres.

A persistent online RPG is different than a single player RPG is the distinction I'm making. No one knows about Deadfire. My friends even forgot. But they all know about Fallout 76.

I'm not sure we are disagreeing. I am saying it's an mmo, but it's an rpg too. There is a craving for rpgs just most people would rather game socially now.

Agreed.

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It's an MMORPG. The most dominant games now are massively social versions of traditional genres.


A persistent online RPG is different than a single player RPG is the distinction I'm making. No one knows about Deadfire. My friends even forgot. But they all know about Fallout 76.

 

Bethesda is more recognizable brand than Obsidian. For general public at least.






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