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The Political Thread - Burlamaqui edition


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Yes, she actually said that but in her case what she views as "morally correct" is still considered to be morally incorrect by mass society (at least right now) so that's the irony of politics. Factually incorrect and morally incorrect, since moralism seems to be a subjective concept in the world anyway.

A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways, a double-minded woman helps ease the pain of Mista J ;)

If she wasn't such a treat to feast our eyes upon, I imagine she'd be in the same ring as our President, Pelosi and Bernie in unlikabiloty but she's young so youth "trumps" all in politics arena - even Palin's looks proved this to be true. Looks simply go a long way, politics are just a secondary yay.

The future of politic campaigning will not rely on political education and preservation but rather great looks and presentation. We will see robots in the future who will be made to manipulate and brainwashing us into who we want to vote for or what side we want to take - then we will discuss our views on the forums - OH WAIT!

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Which view are you talking about specifically that she views as 'morally correct' that is viewed as morally incorrect by most people?



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Did she really say she'd rather be morally right than factually correct? 

 

I have to tell you.... in my line of work that attitude will get people killed. 

 

Isn't that been norm in US politics in past two years. I mean alternative facts don't appear in impromptu interviews but they have been used as reason for many policies like current shut down, but for some reason lots of people only care that politician don't really know their facts when some newbie youngling politician who can't really effect any policies by herself, don't know some details how things work in US political system.



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Wait, people arent mewling nonstop every time Trump speaks? US Politics 101: Immediately reject any and all ideas by the "opposition".



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I'm waiting for all the memes to be created of Trump talking about the shutdown being turned into a Dr Evil hold the world to ransom thing.



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Which view are you talking about specifically that she views as 'morally correct' that is viewed as morally incorrect by most people?

Well there are a few examples but most recently, the government taxing the rich by 70%. This is of course a socialist ideal...

https://youtu.be/Ayqef72QfJQ

Edited by SonicMage117, 10 January 2019 - 09:02 AM.


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Which view are you talking about specifically that she views as 'morally correct' that is viewed as morally incorrect by most people?

Well there are a few examples but most recently, the government taxing the rich by 70%. This is of course a socialist ideal...

 

 

70% marginal tax that would come in effect after first 10 million dollars. Highest marginal tax rate in US history was 94% that come in effect after 200 000 dollars (2.5 million in today's money) in 1944. And during USA's "golden years" from 1950 to 1970 marginal tax rate for those who earned over 200000 dollars never dipped under 70%. It wasn't until 1981 The Economic Recovery Tax Act which drop highest marginal tax rate in USA from 70% to 50%. 

 

High marginal tax rates aren't really meant to collect taxes but direct rich people invest their money instead of hoarding it.


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Did she really say she'd rather be morally right than factually correct? 

 

I have to tell you.... in my line of work that attitude will get people killed. 

 

Isn't that been norm in US politics in past two years. I mean alternative facts don't appear in impromptu interviews but they have been used as reason for many policies like current shut down, but for some reason lots of people only care that politician don't really know their facts when some newbie youngling politician who can't really effect any policies by herself, don't know some details how things work in US political system.

 

I'd say the difference would be the gleeful acknowledgement that they know their positions is factually wrong but they stick by it anyway. Recent examples like Trump I think they probably believe everything they are selling. Ignorance is one thing. Pitiable, regrettable (especially for us) but different from knowing wrong and choosing it anyway. But then again even THAT is hardly unheard of in US politics. 

 

All I'm going to say is there were other names on all of the ballots than just Republicans and Democrats. The day we stop accepting the better of two bad choices and going with 3rd or 4th options is the day the two main choices will start improving. If we don't buy what they are selling maybe they will try selling us something better. Just a thought. We get the government we deserve. And we get it good and hard. 



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This is the most compelling evidence I've seen to nuke the earth.
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WSJ (The Hill article though as the WSJ one is paywalled) and Republicans are worried about the precedent that doing a National Emergency to get around congress is going to set and that Democrats could take advantage of it by doing a national emergency on climate change or something. While I think they're hyperventillating somewhat, they do have a point about setting precedent.

Speaking of setting precedents... if the Republicans are so worried about this one, maybe they should have thought twice about some of the recent precedents that they've made, which kind of set things up for this to happen.



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Didnt Obama do the same thing in 2014?



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https://twitter.com/...733171106209792

 

Mark Meadows

 

Democrats continue to refuse to negotiate in good faith or appropriate any money for border barriers. If they won’t compromise, POTUS should use asset forfeiture money or other discretionary fees to start construction. If not, he should declare a national emergency. It's time.

 

 

But at least it isn't suggestion to increase taxes to pay health care for all  :brows:



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I don't believe it has ever been used in the way that it is being suggested that Trump use it for

 

I'm only able to find a list of active emergencies and none seem even remotely close


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Obama’s executive order on immigration.

 

Hilariously, at the time, Pence whined about it.



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Oh, it's an executive order. I think Trump already did an EO for the wall.



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Ah youre right, I mixed them up.



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in and of itself, declaring a state o' emergency doesn't mean much.  as we noted earlier, a President has broad authority to declare national emergencies.  what is significant is the specific enumerated provisions the chief executive must identify when making such announcements.  building a wall requires money in large quantities and likely the allocation o' military resources.  will also require condemnation o' large amounts o' private owned land... which will certain have gd transformed into a gibbering and frothing mass o' apoplectic fury.  have military step in and take private owned land were one o' those foundational Declaration' Independence issues.  is also the reason you see so few red state governors from border states supporting trump on this issue. 

 

declare or continue a national emergency on terrorism when you got bipartisan support o' Congress is one thing.  declare state o' emergency because Congress is in opposition to chief executive desires opens a pandora's box o' problems.  use emergency to take private land and loosen government purse strings?  an almost novel use o' executive power, and unlikely to survive legal scrutiny, though such a court process would be torturous long.  'course this is now very much a political issue divorced from actual issue o' building a wall and border security.  nobody wants to budge or blink or whatever is metaphor o' choice. 

 

as an aside, executive orders is a much different mechanic, and President could never generate billions o' dollars or take private land with executive orders anyways.  obama did abuse executive orders to circumvent republican senate, but for the most part, Congress let him do so.  the increasing torpid nature o' Congress allowed for executive excesses, and (at least from democrat pov) arguable required executive action 'cause o' legislative indolence. 

 

regardless, this whole thing is nuts.  early last year, with a republican house and senate, trump coulda' gotten $25 billion dollars for a big and beautiful concrete wall if he had eased daca restrictions and made legal options for immigration less restrictive.  were a bipartisan plan. trump wouldn't budge.  in 2019 trump wants $5.7 billion from a democrat controlled house and decides now is time for a shutdown?  would love to play poker with this guy.

 

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Trump wants to be in Iron Sky 2 lmao

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Tulsi Gabbard to make a formal announcement for a 2020 Presidential Run this week.

 

Good, very good. It's not often I see political news that makes me happy. In some ways I was hoping she would hold off till 2024 and try to run on a ticket (maybe Sanders) or serve as SoS for a term first. But I guess now is as good a time as any to strike.


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