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Trump is going to issue an Executive Order ending birthright citizenship. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-eyeing-executive-order-to-end-citizenship-for-children-of-noncitizens-born-on-us-soil/2018/10/30/66892050-dc29-11e8-b3f0-62607289efee_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.fae9527b7fbe

 

 

OK, he cannot f-----g DO that! The US Constitution is clear on this! 14th Amendment first two sentences in section 1:

 

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

Prediction: If this goes to the Supreme Court it will get rejected 8 - Kavanaugh. 

Prediction #2: All the right wingers who justifiably were angry when Barack Obama wiped is soiled arse with the Constitution with his Executive Orders will be mute.

 

This executive orders abuse has been going on since FDR but the last two would be tyrants have really hit the gas on it. We need a President who understands what the President is supposed to do. I think Ford was the last one. 

 

It is funny to read arguments in twitter where people are saying that 14th Amendment don't apply to children of "illegal" immigrants because of they and their parents aren't under jurisdiction of USA, so in other words they are claiming that there aren't any illegal immigrants in USA, as those who would fall under that definition aren't subject to US laws and therefore can't break them regardless of what they are doing and therefore they can't immigrate illegally to USA :dancing: .

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Trump is going to issue an Executive Order ending birthright citizenship. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-eyeing-executive-order-to-end-citizenship-for-children-of-noncitizens-born-on-us-soil/2018/10/30/66892050-dc29-11e8-b3f0-62607289efee_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.fae9527b7fbe

 

 

OK, he cannot f-----g DO that! The US Constitution is clear on this! 14th Amendment first two sentences in section 1:

 

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

Prediction: If this goes to the Supreme Court it will get rejected 8 - Kavanaugh.

Prediction #2: All the right wingers who justifiably were angry when Barack Obama wiped is soiled arse with the Constitution with his Executive Orders will be mute.

 

This executive orders abuse has been going on since FDR but the last two would be tyrants have really hit the gas on it. We need a President who understands what the President is supposed to do. I think Ford was the last one.

Chill. It's WAPO. Fake News.

Sigh.

 

 

 

 

Literally one click. One.

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- When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.

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"We're the only country in the world where a person comes in, has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States for 85 years with all of those benefits,"

 

Interesting case of being correct literally but wrong in intention :)

Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra

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Sounds like legit Twitter thinking. :yes:

 

Executive order.

 

DAMN! Ole Roosevelt was using approximately 252 / year! Is that right?

It isn't the number, it's what they do. One executive order that circumvents the legislature, or usurps power not assigned to the Executive Branch is far worse than 1000 that are in the Executive's assigned responsibilities. For example when Truman used one to desegregate the military that was a proper use of an EO. The President is the CIC of the US Military. Even Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation is because slaves at that time were legally "property" and as such a target for confiscation as a "spoil of war". That is why Lincoln was so desperate to see the 13th Amendment passed. Once the war ended the order is no longer valid. Obama using one to change the implementation date of the ACA was not proper. The ACA was passed by Congress and signed by him. It was the law of the land. If a law needs to be changed that is the job of Congress, not the President. 

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Get off my lawn!

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to be fair I always thought birthright citizenship was kinda stupid

 

Why?

 

Honestly I scratch my head over why it should be difficult to get citizenship. Are we overpopulated? Is it bad for the economy? 

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Pharrel Williams bars Donald Trump from playing his music at rallies

 

 


“Pharrell has not, and will not, grant you permission to publicly perform or otherwise broadcast or disseminate any of his music,” reads the letter from the R&B star’s lawyer Howard King.

“On the day of the mass murder of 11 human beings at the hands of a deranged ‘nationalist’, you played his song Happy to a crowd at a political event in Indiana,” the letter continues. “There was nothing ‘happy’ about the tragedy inflicted upon our country on Saturday and no permission was granted for your use of this song for this purpose.”

"Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum."

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First generation, yes. Second and subsequent generations, no.

 

 

I've never seen economic data that agrees with you.

 

This was a fun find. Amazing how progressive Bush looks compared to Trump: 

 

https://www.bushcenter.org/publications/resources-reports/reports/immigration.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwguDeBRDCARIsAGxuU8ZKF8rI0ehE7iZz7V9Z490M0CByqseFABhYImVhKvRSF1KjvbFAXigaAk1TEALw_wcB

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 Economic and fiscal consequences report

The National Academies found that first-generation immigrants (who were born outside of the United States) cost governments more money than the native-born population. The costs are largely taken on by state and local governments that educate the immigrants’ children.

But members of the second generation "are among the strongest economic and fiscal contributors in the U.S. population," the report said, with tax contributions greater than their parents and the native-born population.

In the long term, the immigrant impact is "generally positive" at the federal level but remains negative at state and local levels, varying significantly across states.

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to be fair I always thought birthright citizenship was kinda stupid

 

Why?

 

Honestly I scratch my head over why it should be difficult to get citizenship. Are we overpopulated? Is it bad for the economy? 

 

 

I didn't say it should be particularly difficult to get citizenship. But I think "happened to fall out of someone's vagina in the country" is a ridiculously arbitrary way to grant it.

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 Economic and fiscal consequences report

The National Academies found that first-generation immigrants (who were born outside of the United States) cost governments more money than the native-born population. The costs are largely taken on by state and local governments that educate the immigrants’ children.

But members of the second generation "are among the strongest economic and fiscal contributors in the U.S. population," the report said, with tax contributions greater than their parents and the native-born population.

In the long term, the immigrant impact is "generally positive" at the federal level but remains negative at state and local levels, varying significantly across states.

 

 

The next paragraph says:

 

 

 

"To characterize that one number as the cost to current native-born taxpayers, is absolutely a case of cherry-picking one result out of a very detailed report," said Gretchen Donehower, an academic specialist at the University of California at Berkeley and consultant who contributed to the report.

 

Then it gives caveats.

 

 

But I suppose this is just a case of how perspective affects the way we look at data.  :geek:

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Just end it already. And while we're at it, drop cluster munitions on the invader caravan.

 

https://www.numbersusa.com/solutions/reform-birthright-citizenship

 

Hell, I've been off the forums for so long I've forgotten how to post a link without showing the whole address. [url= ... something or other. Crap.

http://cbrrescue.org/

 

Go afield with a good attitude, with respect for the wildlife you hunt and for the forests and fields in which you walk. Immerse yourself in the outdoors experience. It will cleanse your soul and make you a better person.----Fred Bear

 

http://michigansaf.org/

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I didn't say it should be particularly difficult to get citizenship. But I think "happened to fall out of someone's vagina in the country" is a ridiculously arbitrary way to grant it.

 

 

So what do you see as a less arbitrary way? I mean, is that really less arbitrary than where your parents are from?

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Killing unarmed people is cool with some.

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Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra

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Sigh.

Every time I think you cannot be dumber you prove me wrong ;)

 

 

That's funny. It's exactly what I thought when I saw that you are literally incapable of checking a source included in the article before claiming "fake news". Try pulling your tongue out of the tangerine-in-chief's anus for a second, you may even start seeing what's in front of you.

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Sigh.

Every time I think you cannot be dumber you prove me wrong ;)

 

 

That's funny. It's exactly what I thought when I saw that you are literally incapable of checking a source included in the article before claiming "fake news". Try pulling your tongue out of the tangerine-in-chief's anus for a second, you may even start seeing what's in front of you.

 

 

Sharp_One, sometimes I'm pretty sure you are being willfully ignorant just to 'troll the libs', or are you really that blind and dumb?

 

 

Just end it already. And while we're at it, drop cluster munitions on the invader caravan.

 

https://www.numbersusa.com/solutions/reform-birthright-citizenship

 

Hell, I've been off the forums for so long I've forgotten how to post a link without showing the whole address. [url= ... something or other. Crap.

 

And while we're at it, LETS DECLARE WAR ON MEXICO! ****YEAH! MAGA!

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