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The Political Thread - Hobbes Edition


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It's curious that none of you draw any distinctions between a group of volunteers home cooking soup & chili & sandwiches that they give away for free & a unlicensed business selling food to the public. But, OK. The thing the state is looking at is the license? Why? Because it must be PAID for. Yes kiddies it's true all they really care about is the money they get for their blessing. Sure health inspectors go around, but not everywhere and not even all the time. A quick web search reveals that fewer that .04% of public restaurants in the US receive an unannounced inspection.... ever. And according to Web MD as of 2014 there were over 24K reported cases of food poisoning from meals served in licensed public restaurants in the USA the previous 10 years. The key word being reported. Other than food you grew/raised, harvested/slaughtered, & cooked yourself you are relying on the care and quality control of other people and their self interest in maintaining their business every time you take a bite of anything. To quote Adam Smith "It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest" If they make you sick you even sell you a shoddy meal not only will you not be back but everyone you tell. AND there is the prospect of criminal charges or lawsuits. All fine & good IMO. And anyway, caveat emptor buddy. If you don't think they care about your food you've never run a business before.

 

Now it comes as NO surprise to me that Alumin seems to think that the food MUST be tainted. After all if it has not been blessed by the high priest of the church of the State (PBUH) it has to be poisoned. I find no end of amusement that those of you how harbor a healthy dislike of religion so freely place unconditional faith in something far less reliable, far more ephemeral, and far less deserving: a collection of hacks and bureaucrats who know dangerously little about the things they think they should control. I ought to know. I'm one of them! 

 

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I was kind of weighing whether this is politics or weird things.. eh, I'll drop it here:

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What's the ratio of food poisoning from licensed vendors vs unlicensed? That would answer a lot of questions.

 
I'd be surprised if there's sufficient data to make that comparison because unlicensed vendors are by definition illegal, so it's unlikely that any effort is made at systematic data collection. Food poisoning is also hard to track unless it's mass poisoning, so occurrences are probably underreported.
 
The argument that this is the city trying to extract money from charity groups doesn't fly, though:

"Those social services that do earn a permit, if they don’t charge fees or pressure for donations, have their permit fee waived, he said."

 

From the article, it seems to me like this is a homeowners' association being butthurt that bum picnics are being held in their hood, and badgering city authorities to enforce the ordinance. So as usual people are being ****, but for once, it's not mostly just gov't officials.



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The best solution is to arm the bums and let them raid the home owner's association.

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They definitely make attempts at systematic data collection if there's a mandatory reporting regime, eg Notifiable diseases Section A of New Zealand:

 

Acute gastroenteritis
Campylobacteriosis
Cholera
Cryptosporidiosis
Giardiasis
Hepatitis A
Legionellosis
Listeriosis
Meningoencephalitis primary amoebic
Salmonellosis
Shigellosis
Typhoid and paratyphoid fever
Yersiniosis
 
Of those I'm fairly sure that only Legionella, Meningitis and Plague are (more or less) unrelated to food/ water hygiene. But yeah, it would be very difficult to trace such things without mandatory reporting and for cases where the odd person just has The Runs for a day and don't go to a doctor or where you have very odd symptoms like the family that seemingly got hit by some random nerve toxin after eating wild pork, or where those eating the stuff andor the vendor are transient/ itinerant.
 
I would have thought that a soup kitchen type setup would be relatively safe though, assuming they were serving the soup hot enough.


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The market will choose high quality foods, until the one games in town begin betraying the standards that got them to where they are. Que either regulations or a long slow wait for the economics of scale of the good little guy to catch up to the big bad guy.

 

This is why food regulations is not nazism sitting between farm and table.


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https://www.dailysta...of-bowel-cancer

 

This is what regulated and licensed providers do on regular basis. It's all a sham guys. 



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Michael Avenatti the White Knight and Protector of women has been arrested on domestic violence charges.
Believe all women. We believe survivors.

Will the same rules apply as for judge Kavanaugh?

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https://www.theguard...t-politics-live

Fun day for Theresa May.

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Michael Avenatti the White Knight and Protector of women has been arrested on domestic violence charges.
Believe all women. We believe survivors.

Will the same rules apply as for judge Kavanaugh?

 

Would be good for Avenatti if the same rules applied, as that would mean he has a fancy new job waiting for him after a half-assed investigation.



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And likewise his accuser is just making it up, etc., etc.




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