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Why is it still not possible to turn off the narrator?


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It's precisely that. A very good analogy. Given how obvious the error is, I'm actually surprised they made it. It's a very bad call.

You do realize that, if you’re going to be even the tiniest bit consistent, that’s a valid argument for every line of dialogue in the whole game? In which case they’ve already provided a solution via the aforementioned volume slider. Problem solved!

 

In theory, almost, but in practice, no. It's a question of quantity, i.e. there's a lot more of narration in any given situation than there is dialogue content after a mouse click.

 

This applies to games like Baldur's Gate II as well: the dialogue lines are short enough so that the overlapping of spoken and written word create no problems. And when there is narration in BG2, it's done in cutscenes between chapters, like it was done in PoE1 as well. That works just fine, no problem.

 

PoE2 is incredibly awkward right at the start, it took me less than two minutes to want the narrator to simply just shut up.



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If the argument is, “I can read faster than the VA can speak, and the existence of VO screws up my reading” then *all* of the VO is a problem. If you just don’t like the narrator, that’s fine, but then just say that.


What does it matter why? People want an option to turn off the narrator but not voice overs. It's that simple.

Edited by Verde, 20 September 2018 - 08:21 AM.

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If the argument is, “I can read faster than the VA can speak, and the existence of VO screws up my reading” then *all* of the VO is a problem. If you just don’t like the narrator, that’s fine, but then just say that.

What does it matter why? People want an option to turn off the narrator but not voice overs. It's that simple.
Wanting it is simple. Implementing it is not. You have options, but rather than actually utilize any of them, you prefer to complain.
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The problem with the narrator is extremely simple. She reads the text very slowly, a lot slower than I read, so I would rather read the text myself to get along with the game. But reading the text while the narrator is also reading that same text aloud, lagging behind me, is extraordinarily jarring. It has nothing to do with the quality of the narrative performance.

 

 

How is this a weird criticism? I am genuinely very curious. It's a perfectly legitimate and logical criticism concerning a fault in the game.

 

It is an excellent idea to go through all the text presented in the narration. You have, essentially, two choices:

1) Listen to the narrator,

2) Read the text yourself at your own pace.

 

If you choose #2, which I want to do, the narrator is a constant pain in the butt while you read. She also takes a *huge* amount of extra time that provides absolutely no extra value whatsoever.

 

So, how is this a weird criticism?

I agree. Either listen to the performance or read faster and skip forward (I sometimes do the latter in Deadfire but generally not in the narrated parts because I think she is doing wonderful job painting images and creating an atmosphere.) I do find it a weird criticism, as it would suggest that the problem with the performance is that it is too slow, and if it were delivered faster the problem would be solved.

It is an odd criticism. What is the problem then? Does she not convey thoughts and ideas properly? Is her speed distracting you from what she is saying? 

 

To me it's like saying: this song is bad because it is too slow. How so? Does the subject not for the performance? Is something special lost when performed that slow? You possibly read music or text on a much faster pace than the performer is performing it, but what does one have to do with the other? 

 

It's like watching a PowerPoint presentation where the presenters read from flash cards that have the exact same info as the presentation. Thanks but I can read!

That's assuming that the actors performance doesn't add anything to the table and their only job is to read text aloud so you don't have to read it. You can criticise performance and dislike it - everyone has their own taste. For me having access to the script or text doesn't make voice acting invalid. Maybe it is because I always like to have access to written text as I am not native english speaker. But yeah, doring the narrator parts I don't look at text, just admire the artwork, listen to the performance and try to visulize the images - useful especially in surreal visits to beyond, or wherever Gods reside. 


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If the argument is, “I can read faster than the VA can speak, and the existence of VO screws up my reading” then *all* of the VO is a problem. If you just don’t like the narrator, that’s fine, but then just say that.

What does it matter why? People want an option to turn off the narrator but not voice overs. It's that simple.
Wanting it is simple. Implementing it is not. You have options, but rather than actually utilize any of them, you prefer to complain.

You sure do make it a pt to attack others when your argument gets debunked. There is no option to just turn off the narrator and not the VOs. Fact. So you are indeed 100% wrong.

Edited by Verde, 20 September 2018 - 08:56 AM.

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If the argument is, “I can read faster than the VA can speak, and the existence of VO screws up my reading” then *all* of the VO is a problem. If you just don’t like the narrator, that’s fine, but then just say that.

What does it matter why? People want an option to turn off the narrator but not voice overs. It's that simple.
Wanting it is simple. Implementing it is not. You have options, but rather than actually utilize any of them, you prefer to complain.
You sure do make it a pt to attack others when your argument gets debunked. There is no option to just turn off the narrator and not the VOs. Fact. So you are indeed 100% wrong.
smh

The mod, Verde. The mod.

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If the mod doesn't work, it's not of any use.

If the mod is causing problems then disabling the narrator is not as simple as it seems.

I don't mind listening to the narrator, but if I did I wouldn't risk using that mod either.
My understanding of the existing mod is that they replaced the existing sound files with null placeholders. Another approach would be to edit all the relevant conversation files to set each and every one of the VO values to false. So yeah, it is complicated.

As stated above the mod doesn't work, so it's not a viable option.

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It does work. It doesn’t work perfectly. Also, I mentioned how to make a better one. If you want it that bad, go make it. The internet will love you.

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It does work. It doesn’t work perfectly. Also, I mentioned how to make a better one. If you want it that bad, go make it. The internet will love you.


It's funny watching you unravel when your arguments are consistently debunked.

Edited by Verde, 20 September 2018 - 11:49 AM.


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I don’t think you know what that word means

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Based on the conversations in this topic the mod does not work properly =/= perfectly.

Edited by Verde, 20 September 2018 - 12:05 PM.


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Because they only found 99% of the voice files. So you still have 1% of the narrator. Literally unplayable.

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Because they only found 99% of the voice files. So you still have 1% of the narrator. Literally unplayable.


That's not what literally means tho.

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I can’t tell whether you’re unfamiliar with the “literally unplayable” meme or if you have nothing but felt like posting anyway.

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https://knowyourmeme...ally-unplayable

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I hear "literally" so much from young professional women that it's become a knee jerk reaction to point it out.

Edited by Verde, 20 September 2018 - 02:00 PM.


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For those of us that missed it the first time:

 

The file "global.bnk" in this mod disables all combat sounds. 
Using the steam version.

 



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I hear "literally" so much from young professional women that it's become a knee jerk reaction to point it out.


I'm sure it's only women who use that word in the wrong way. Because we all know that only men are the masters of linguistics, right. I'm still in shock that women now have voting rights when they still can't speak properly, jeez... What's next? Employment laws for child labor? Pfff!

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I hear "literally" so much from young professional women that it's become a knee jerk reaction to point it out.


I'm sure it's only women who use that word in the wrong way. Because we all know that only men are the masters of linguistics, right. I'm still in shock that women now have voting rights when they still can't speak properly, jeez... What's next? Employment laws for child labor? Pfff!

 

 

He didn't say it was only women that use the word in the wrong way



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Why? I was agreeing, wasn't I? ;)




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