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On 1/31/2020 at 1:59 PM, ComradeMaster said:

 

You're also gonna need a high refresh rate, whilst there's no 32" 4k 100+hz monitor on the market yet

4k 100+ Hz monitors have been around for a short while, albeit with some caveats. The biggest hurdle is that the current existing HDMI and Display Port technologies don't have the bandwith to handle that much information at once. Several solutions already exist to address this problem until the day connections that can handle that type of bandwith hit the market:

1) Using multiple simultaneous connections. It's the simplest solution, albeit it initially came with all sorts of issues. Those have been mostly ironed out, but this solution does make certain technologies, like HDR, impossible currently.

2) Chroma Subsampling. Single connection and allows HDR and such, however it comes at the price of slight degradation of image quality.

3) Display Stream Compression. This is the newest and best solution. There is no loss in image quality and it operates on a single connection and doesn't prohibit HDR and such. The one drawback is minuscule input lag, but we're talking about something along the lines of 1/10th of a millisecond, which is imperceptible to even the most pro of pro gamers, let alone a schlub like me. As with any brand new technology, it's quite expensive right now. This 43" monitor is pretty much exactly what I would want (maybe a tad smaller, 38-40" ish would suit my needs perfectly, but I can live with 43"), but it's $1500. Hopefully by fall they have 4k DSC monitors that are a bit cheaper.

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^ When medium/large 4k screens/tv's at 120hz are in the $500-800 range, that's when I'll care about high hz. It'll also be when I upgrade the gpu. Or build yet another PC if I must (hopefully won't have to tho, since I'm not a huge action or competitive gamer).

Ideally a 43"-46" "4k" as a center screen and two 30-32" 1440 on the sides. 

Until then, I'm still perfectly happy with 60hz monitors/TV. My eyes are just fine with it since I've never bothered with higher yet and I'm not going to upgrade (and then maybe grow unhappy with 60hz like how going bigger screen made small screens "unacceptable" to me...) until I'm sure I can do/achieve what I want.

Edit: I'm guessing it'll be the 40xx nvidia line  by then...

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3080 Ti.

When they say 50%-70% faster than 2080 Ti I'm assuming they mean with RTX enabled but it's still a significant upgrade. 

 

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To be clear, what was announced here was not gaming cards. Now, will Ampere gaming cards eventually be made and sold? Most likely, but it's uncertain when. I guess it depends on how competitive Big Navi winds up being. Right now, Nvidia has little motivation to put out Ampere gaming cards, since AMD has nothing that can compete in the high-end.

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Even if AMD could compete on processing, Nvidia's software and features like DLSS 2.0 and RTX are so far ahead. AMD's only hope is that Nvidia decide to expand into more segments and forget about the PC space for 6 years, but what kind of company would... do... th... 🤭

The consoles were able to get so much out of mediocre hardware, AMD hardware, but that software effort wasn't put into PC games. Consoles had dynamic shaders and resolution, checkerboard scaling, and some pretty clever tricks that would have been really good as AMD features.

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Yes I'm still boggled as to why PC gamers would go AMD, when their hardware is being used on both next gen consoles.  It just seems like a no-brainer from a consumerist perspective.


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Big Navi is confirmed to have HW ray tracing, as to what form it will take and how it will stack up against RTX... :shrugz:

As for DLSS, the implementation on the RTX 2xxx cards is pretty trash, but DLSS 2.0 is supposedly much better. No clue if AMD has an upscaling solution to counter. Honestly, I have doubts I'd make much, if any, use of DLSS, but it's cool tech.

I think the best case scenario for consumers is Big Navi releasing with the top card slightly beating 2080 Ti and at an attractive price point (similar story down the line to mid and low end segments). That would force Jensen's hand to release 3xxx sooner rather than later and keep the prices from being completely preposterous.

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DLSS was always software. The hardware that it runs on is used for both DLSS 1.0, 1.9 (unofficial name for Control's implementation), and 2.0. There were statements about supercomputers and AI, but that was never implemented. Developers struggled to implement it on engines that were already well into development, like RTX ray tracing but even worse. At this point it's free TAA much better and actually boosts frame rates. It will probably get to a point where everybody should have some form of DLSS enabled, even if the base resolution is quite high, and the quality is highest.

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6 hours ago, Keyrock said:

As for DLSS, the implementation on the RTX 2xxx cards is pretty trash, but DLSS 2.0 is supposedly much better. No clue if AMD has an upscaling solution to counter. Honestly, I have doubts I'd make much, if any, use of DLSS, but it's cool tech.

DLSS is garbage, I never use it or Ray Tracing, though the memory bandwidth that uses RTX is supposed to be enhanced significantly for 3*** thereby improving FPS significantly so perhaps 144hz+ gamers can start to dabble in it then, w/o DLSS.

Any feature that forces you to lower a render resolution means you're doing it wrong.

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Pulled this off the 'What is to come thread' since it probably fits better here*...

On 1/4/2020 at 3:16 PM, Zoraptor said:

Eh, pretty strong rumour is that nVidia's 7nm is not announced due to them committing to Samsung 7nm instead of TSMC and Samsung's 7nm process being about as broken as Intel's 10nm- so nVidia cannot get top tier chips off it, TSMC's 7nm is by all accounts fully booked until their next plant comes online and Apple finishes up their orders, so even if nVidia wanted to do a 7nm release they cannot. And given Jensen's abysmal interpersonal skills who knows if he's burnt the bridges to TSMC along with the bridges to Intel, MS and Sony. Not that it really matters so far as nVidia is concerned, at the moment.

That situation is getting closer to confirmed now- consumer 3000 series very likely to be on Samsung '8nm', only pro and above level cards at TSMC. Ultimate source is kopite7kimi on twitter, who is usually reliable, and there are a fair few supporting articles out now as well (eg Igorslab). Power draws may be a near throwback to Thermi as a result, which I guess will at least give a good reason to buy 1000W+ PSUs again.

*That first quoted sentence has more run ons than a rugby match in Dunedin during O week.

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