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A call to all true Ascetics or: Another Naked-Solo-Challenge

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In PoE 1 Chanter was the king of naked runs so i banned this class from my personal list. Druid was another strong contender that only struggled in the very-late game. Monk was also great except for the boss fights in WM 1&2. Too bad if Chanter is still THE class to go thanks to unlimited chants. Another reason to ban the class from this challenge! :devil:

 

I really do not like the AR/PEN-system in PoE 2 either. Why not using the old one? Without Devoted or Berserker most builds will lack PEN here. Devoted/Lifegiver was another idea i started some days ago but have not played further. At least it has good PEN, lots of heals and nice CC. The Devoted/Trickster was quite nice up to level 15 murdering even big groups without problems. But the lack of sustain against big bosses (Ukaizo!) hurts a lot. Sure he could just use Smoke Veil to skip it but that feels just lame. :biggrin:

 

But havent you said @Mant2si that your Priest of Magran/Ghostheart was able to beat the Guardian of Ukaizo? Was this without any consumables? If so we might have another contender. Chanters i do not count. :no:

 

P.S. What about a Devoted/Shieldbearer?

He gets resistance or immunity to any affliction, can dish out quite some damage and has lots of sustain. Still not enough?


Edited by Harpagornis, 21 August 2018 - 04:03 AM.


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In PoE 1 Chanter was the king of naked runs so i banned this class from my personal list. Druid was another strong contender that only struggled in the very-late game. Monk was also great except for the boss fights in WM 1&2. Too bad if Chanter is still THE class to go thanks to unlimited chants. Another reason to ban the class from this challenge! :devil:

 

I really do not like the AR/PEN-system in PoE 2 either. Why not using the old one? Without Devoted or Berserker most builds will lack PEN here. Devoted/Lifegiver was another idea i started some days ago but have not played further. At least it has good PEN, lots of heals and nice CC. The Devoted/Trickster was quite nice up to level 15 murdering even big groups without problems. But the lack of sustain against big bosses (Ukaizo!) hurts a lot. Sure he could just use Smoke Veil to skip it but that feels just lame. :biggrin:

 

But havent you said @Mant2si that your Priest of Magran/Ghostheart was able to beat the Guardian of Ukaizo? Was this without any consumables? If so we might have another contender. Chanters i do not count. :no:

 

P.S. What about a Devoted/Shieldbearer?

He gets resistance or immunity to any affliction, can dish out quite some damage and has lots of sustain. Still not enough?

> Another reason to ban the class from this challenge! 

Yeah you need to ban Chanters otherwise there no point for naked challenge - unlimited summons with +4 pen, more OP than any existed weapon 

> But havent you said @Mant2si that your Priest of Magran/Ghostheart was able to beat the Guardian of Ukaizo?

Yeah I killed Ukazio with Magran/Ranger -  I used withdraw to reset fight after each Ukaizo stage transition, and remove minions aggro, but I can't handle any high level boat fights

But I also killed Ukaizo with Skaen/Fighter - the trick to remove Energyzed inspirations with Club modal and L1 Priest Interdiction, I used withdraw to reset 2x times fight and remove minions aggro

I don't know how works Berath Challenge -  but without fight resetting I can't kill Ukaizo, because of 60 sec first transition

If there will be at least one crush immune boss or boss with 15+ crush armor and +120 deflection...

> What about a Devoted/Shieldbearer?

You don't need Paladin to resistance to all afflictions, Dwarf + Fighter + Captain Banquet enough 

> Devoted/Lifegiver 

Yeah that combination work pretty well, but without invise spell, one mistake cause you to lose your character 

 


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The simplest thing that you can do to make your challenge funnier, allow weapons (I assume Obisidian challenge also allowed weapon)



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Okay, to sum it up:

 

- Chanters should play on their own battleground but not here

 

- Without invisibility-resets boss fights seem impossible plus any mistake might cause a quick death

 

- Ship fights favour Fighter/XXX as anything else will go down too quickly

 

- Beraths Challenge will kill anyone except Chanters (who are already out)

 

There is not much room left when picking classes...

 

Devoted/Priest seems to be the hottest contender:

 

1. +2 PEN

2. Lots of Buffs

3. Resistance to Afflictions (Dwarf!)

4. AoE damage

5. Invisibilty for resets

6. Good sustain

 

I think i will have to rethink about the rule settings as well as waiting for the upcoming DLC´s until playing the game "for real". However: Its still fun toying around with all kinds of builds. Big thanks for all your input - especially to @Mant2si who has given me lots of new ideas. Great! Looks like it will still take quite some time before i will finish the game for the very first time without rerolling another char. :biggrin:


Edited by Harpagornis, 21 August 2018 - 04:55 AM.


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- Chanters should play on their own battleground but not here


Yeah, single Chanter/X is like 2 - 3 character party 

> - Without invisibility-resets boss fights seem impossible plus any mistake might cause a quick death

Not all, currently only Ukaizo, but I assume that new Mega Bosses will be also multistage

> - Ship fights favour Fighter/XXX as anything else will go down too quickly


You can use Invise + Summon (for example Ranger + Rogue), but Fighter can start fight immediately

> -  Beraths Challenge will kill anyone except Chanters (who are already out)

Maybe X / Skaen can use Triumph of Crusaders to kill minions, or withdraws and shadow beyond to apply buffs, let's check first mega boss :D

There is not much room left when picking classes...

Yeah 

But you can allow weapon and check single handed Devoted/Ghost Hear with Pistol Modal ;D There also exist Eccea's Arcane Blaster that solve any possible penetration problems, you can DW it with any melee weapon and enjoy 50% + 30% + 15% recovery reduction

Edited by mant2si, 21 August 2018 - 05:18 AM.

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If Devoted worked with Shifter... i'd have my character (with Chanter banned)...

Shifter+Paladin looked like fun, but i only did a few quests in neketaka with it (and with items, but mostly used one spell before shifting, it was before items worked while shifting)



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If Devoted worked with Shifter... i'd have my character (with Chanter banned)...

Shifter+Paladin looked like fun, but i only did a few quests in neketaka with it (and with items, but mostly used one spell before shifting, it was before items worked while shifting)

Devoted don't work with Shifter
Shiftir + Paladin I have big problems with PEN for this combination



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If the game data is correct then using weapons would indeed be okay:

 

"Naked Run: Complete the game without wearing any armor, boots, gloves, helmets, or accessories in combat. (5 new game points)"

 

This would give the challenge new perspectives - which is good.

 

On the other hand i am wondering what we should put on top of this? TCS mandatory? No invisibility? Or at least one God Challenge? As only two of them are in the game for now i am not sure if its a good idea to put in Berath.

 

So for the moment i am updating the OP:

 

- No Chanters

- You are allowed to use weapons

 

P.S. AI scripts are also banned. Play on your own or get doomed! :biggrin:


Edited by Harpagornis, 21 August 2018 - 06:17 AM.


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The problem with no weapons is it basically says ok you have to do either 1.)summoned weapons (limited to a few classes) or 2.) use unarmed combat perk so basically you have to be durable ie be a fighter/x it is kinda limiting given the penetration system in potd.

 

But with weapons you can also open a new can of worms because experienced players know how to metagame a few choice weapons ie red hand damage stacking (obvious), eccea's blaster projectile splitting/spell duplication (cipher), and certain weapons with good power levels to fire etc can push an already very strong class like wizard/evoker over the top. 

not to mention you have enough weapons with special abilities that allow you to one shot groups of mobs with special attacks.

 

if you say no enchanting allowed (on weapons) it certainly improves the situation but then I will see a bunch of grave calling saber builds pop up. 



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I got your point @1TTFFSSE - and this doesnt sound okay. So What about this?

 

Cursed Stuff: You cannot unequip any weapon (or shield).

 

This would force the player to choose wisely limiting at least some abuse. Other ideas?

 

P.S. As i have no ideas about the ingame weapons other will have a better overview!


Edited by Harpagornis, 21 August 2018 - 06:40 AM.


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The problem with no weapons is it basically says ok you have to do either 1.)summoned weapons (limited to a few classes) or 2.) use unarmed combat perk so basically you have to be durable ie be a fighter/x it is kinda limiting given the penetration system in potd.

 

But with weapons you can also open a new can of worms because experienced players know how to metagame a few choice weapons ie red hand damage stacking (obvious), eccea's blaster projectile splitting/spell duplication (cipher), and certain weapons with good power levels to fire etc can push an already very strong class like wizard/evoker over the top. 

not to mention you have enough weapons with special abilities that allow you to one shot groups of mobs with special attacks.

 

if you say no enchanting allowed (on weapons) it certainly improves the situation but then I will see a bunch of grave calling saber builds pop up. 

I don't think this is problem :D

Grave calling saber builds - without chanter ? 

Rccea's blaster projectile splitting/spell duplication - Solo ? 
Red hand damage stacking (obvious) - I believe this will be fixed 
Fire PL - This doesn't help you with boarding fights or magma dragon 


Edited by mant2si, 21 August 2018 - 06:42 AM.


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Question: Is there any weapon or shield that grants abilities like Withdraw or Shadowing Beyond? Would make any naked non Priest or Rogue much more survivable in TCS! ;)


Edited by Harpagornis, 21 August 2018 - 07:08 AM.


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Just thinking about the ingame data again:

 

"Complete the game without wearing any armor, boots, gloves, helmets, or accessories in combat"

 

This also means you can use consumables - right???

 

This would open up even more builds - no? ;)


Edited by Harpagornis, 21 August 2018 - 09:53 AM.


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If the game data is correct then using weapons would indeed be okay:

 

"Naked Run: Complete the game without wearing any armor, boots, gloves, helmets, or accessories in combat. (5 new game points)"

 

This would give the challenge new perspectives - which is good.

 

On the other hand i am wondering what we should put on top of this? TCS mandatory? No invisibility? Or at least one God Challenge? As only two of them are in the game for now i am not sure if its a good idea to put in Berath.

 

So for the moment i am updating the OP:

 

- No Chanters

- You are allowed to use weapons

 

P.S. AI scripts are also banned. Play on your own or get doomed! :biggrin:

The no Pause Mode without AI is really stupid, i just tried a 3 con helwalker/devoted (tcs everything active) and died to a young boar because i missed him 3 times with the mouse, no pause no AI is just... not a mode i would ever try.


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^ ^ ^ 

This challenge introduced special for chanters, summon minions with AI on and relax :D I don't even try to play with it 



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The updated rules:

 

1. Complete the game without wearing any armor, boots, gloves, helmets, or accessories in combat -> Weapons, Potions, Scrolls and Pets are ok - how cool is this?
2. Path of the Damned or Triple Crown Solo -> Chose your destiny

3. No Berath Blessings -> we want it the hard way no?

4. No retraining -> reskilling is for the weak!

5. Upscaling for all enemies -> the bigger the better

6. Collect all bounties -> you gonna hate this for sure

7. Finish the main game plus the DLC´s -> we like it all

8. Chanters are banned -> Sorry, no I-Win-Button this time @Reent

9. No AI scripts -> But letting your dog play is still okay!!!

 

Opinions on the rules? Still too easy? Should we use Deadly Deadfire Mod? Is the integration of consumables making the challenge too easy? Should TCS be optional?


Edited by Harpagornis, 22 August 2018 - 08:24 AM.


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With new rules will work BDD + Potion of Last Stand combination, yesterday I tested my Harbinger of Doom build without DD mod, and it steamroll most of High Level fights, now the biggest problem is Arcane Dampener , because of it I died 1 - 3 times  :(


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Yeah, the new rules mostly feel "too easy" which caused me to start playing again without any items and DD hardcore mod installed. The very beginning is quite brutal after dying once against the very first boar (no monastic training!) that had three skulls. However: Most enemies are just plain red. Finally the surrounding feels menacing again even though the open world should give us still enough room for easy quests. The XP decrease makes everything a bit slower so i switched back to Mechanics to get another XP option. I dont know if the big bosses will be killable but even if not - hey - happiness is the way. Especially when death is lurking around every corner. No? :biggrin:

 

My Dwarven Devoted/Priest of Skaen proves to be very effective so far easily punching down the bigger essence spirit at level 3 or the adra slime (STR 20!). He got level 7 after reaching Neketaka with Natures Resolve already collected. Lets see if we can get at least level 10 before sailing out again... ;)

 

P.S. Your Harbinger of Doom is a really cool build @mant2si - maybe i should try it out in the next time. We will see! :yes:


Edited by Harpagornis, 24 August 2018 - 11:43 AM.


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Yeh, but you can't play with DD and God's challenges together :( I planning to do solo naked run after first mega boss release, because I not sure if classes with limited resource (Devoted/Skaen) can handle such long fights

At first I will do official TSC naked with gods challenge and then will try to do DD mod. But DD mod is much more harder, I'm not sure that you can kill bosses without consumables

There always exist Shepard with Red Hand + White-leaf  + Boar that can survive near infinity time and has 80% crit chance


Edited by mant2si, 24 August 2018 - 11:55 AM.


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Naked Challenge with all 10 God Challenges will most likely be insane. Too bad i cannot get in touch with Magrans Challenge. I like my pause button too much!!!

 

If Naked + DD is getting too tough later on then its always possible to drop back to consumables. Or just press the i-win-button and play with a Chanter! :devil:


Edited by Harpagornis, 24 August 2018 - 12:00 PM.






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