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[CLASS BUILD] The Deep Leap - deceiving and evading AoE *boooom* Scout

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CW not working is unfortunate, I assumed it did. Guess all good things from PoE1 is gone.

What should work will be Avenging Storm and Turning Wheel. Avenging Storm I am fairly certain can be integrated.

Ofc if you talking about solo, anything that isn’t fast cast is not practical. But in a party setting, this char can be the last to reveal and have a few some seconds to itself to cast buffs and stuff.

Edited by mosspit, 22 July 2018 - 01:52 AM.


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CW not working is unfortunate, I assumed it did. Guess all good things from PoE1 is gone.

What should work will be Avenging Storm and Turning Wheel. Avenging Storm I am fairly certain can be integrated.

Ofc if you talking about solo, anything that isn’t fast cast is not practical. But in a party setting, this char can be the last to reveal and have a few some seconds to itself to cast buffs and stuff.

For solo you can use this combination only as first attack from invise then you need to use something else, so no AS on fight start, but i assume you can use shadow beyond rebuff and then repeat  :D 


Edited by mant2si, 22 July 2018 - 02:08 AM.


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I tried Twinned Shots and Avenging Storm (Scroll). It was beautiful. I guess it was pretty close to what CW could have been.

In any case, the key for the mechanism besides Driving Flight and Focus is the need to have as large as a AoE as possible to ensure the OW triggers

Max trigger times for OW is 9
  • 3 times proc by the AoE from the active skill (Arterial Strike). Scales with density
  • 3 times proc by the Driving Flight project delivery method of OW. Triggered by above point
  • Potential 3 times triggers by the base attacks themselves (projectile | non-aoe | density independent)
With enough density, you are almost guaranteed to land 6 OW AoEs. The remaining 3 are semi-decent chance from the base projectile.

The OW AoE is quite generous at 6(m?). So enemies hit by the rod modal will most likely get OW dmg.

Edited by mosspit, 22 July 2018 - 04:15 AM.


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So how squishy is this build Boeroer? We talking 1-2 hits and dead?

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So how squishy is this build Boeroer? We talking 1-2 hits and dead?

Given he completely dumps RES and CON, I'd say that's about right. The point is to ensure nothing is still alive to actually hit you by the time you are revealed.



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@mosspit do you know if OW proc on each target in rod AOE modal ? I assume obsidian will 100% nerf range AOE skills transferring, and this nerf can reduce OW procs rate for each first projectile and may reduce  average DM for this combination
 


Edited by mant2si, 23 July 2018 - 04:48 AM.


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@mant2si
What the upgrade for the Focus does is to apply a status of infinite duration to fire off OW 15% of the time. I am guessing it was done this way to decouple the regular attacks from the OW effects. In order words, yes, OW will hit rod modal enemies. That is part of reason why this mechanics has a shotgun effect.

 

Because OW is decoupled from the regular attacks, there is a consideration to how to select the OW target (epicentre of the AoE). So that's why the game uses a projectile "attack" with no dmg as the delivery method, as the attack proc'ing the effect is also a projectile. But it leads to the effect of multiple OW triggers due to Driving Flight. Intended or otherwise, I am not too concerned with unless it leads the game breaking in other ways (breaking here is meaning crashing or something that really impacts UX negatively).

 

This is ofc comes from my interpretation of what happens behind the scenes. So feel free to confirm the mechanics yourself as well :)



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On topic: @Boeroer how does the build play prior to getting driving flight? Considering rolling it before the inevitable nerf and am curious how painful the early game will be.



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I've just deleted a bunch of off-topic arguments about the game.   This thread is about a particular build.  There are other places you can go if you wish to discuss the game or the philosophies behind balancing the game.



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So how squishy is this build Boeroer? We talking 1-2 hits and dead?

Because you have Mirrored Image you can take a few attacks. It's not that bad at higher levels. But sure - pretty squishy. But one could easily change the stats and not gimp the damage much. 



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On topic: @Boeroer how does the build play prior to getting driving flight? Considering rolling it before the inevitable nerf and am curious how painful the early game will be.

It plays pretty nicely because you can apply Arterial Strike and Gouging Strike in an AoE from stealth in a second - and then just escape/evade around (fooling rushers) and attack more (either with Spearcaster or with rod if enemies still clump together). The fun with spearcaster is that you can immediately escape/evade after shots because it has no recovery (only reload). So jumping to a safe distance, reloading, shooting and jumping away right before they reach you is cool. ;)


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I'm sorry to write off topic @Boeroer, but I would like to contact you via PM or other direct ways, as it seems you blocked PM's on forum. It's related to modding (but not about how to do, no worries :) I'll delete this post later.


Edited by tonpix, 27 July 2018 - 12:28 PM.


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Hi. I didn't block PM. But it may be that my inbox is full again. Unfortunately this happens from time to time without me noticing. I will check and clear it so I can get messages again.

Edit: yep, it was 50 again. I deleted some messages, now you can write me again. :)

Edited by Boeroer, 27 July 2018 - 12:56 PM.


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Outstanding work, Boeroer. Well, to be expected from you, really.

 

I might try the mortar Sharpshooter/Streetfighter variant. Both for the speed and for the added Sneak damage.

Probably will drop the Dex a bit and raise the Con a little then - speed has diminishing returns after all.

 

I'm wondering about picking both Escape and Evasive Roll. Aren't they redundant? Or do you think it's worth it to have mobility abilities from 2 different resource pools? I was thinking about picking Evasive Roll only (provides Quick and has slightly longer range).

 

I'm also debating Strike the Bell. A total of +5 Penetration Ability should come very handy on a low Pen weapon vs armored opponents, no?

Although I guess your version mostly relies on the massive DoTs, which don't care about that much.

 

Want to also pick Thorny Roots, Slippery Mind.

 

Any comments are welcome.



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Yes, I took Evasive Roll and Escape so that I always have one mobility ability as long as I have at least 1 Guile or 1 Bond.

Thorny Roots is quite cool. I only recently noticed that it's an AoE ability in Deadfire. Totally missed that. Those things happen if you have too much PoE stuff stuck in your brains. ;)

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Yes, I took Evasive Roll and Escape so that I always have one mobility ability as long as I have at least 1 Guile or 1 Bond.

Thorny Roots is quite cool. I only recently noticed that it's an AoE ability in Deadfire. Totally missed that. Those things happen if you have too much PoE stuff stuck in your brains. ;)


Ohyes I love thorny roots and the small AoE is no problem with a pull of eora and some timing. The duration on the root is beastly evil!

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I recently read that mortar aoe actually targets reflex defense. Makes sense, I guess. But what about rod aoe? Is it reflex also? Deflection?

Come to think of it, what about Spirit Lance or WotEP?



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Seems like rods are Deflection after all.

 

I'm wondering about Fire in the Hole. I thought its Chain Shot upgrade to be the best thing since sliced bread, but now I'm not sure anymore. +15% Reload time can be mostly avoided using full attacks with another offhand. -15% damage hurts a bit more. Particularly when one considers that the bounce seems to be at -50% damage!

Particularly on a Ranger with Driving Flight, this could potentially be a damage loss.

 

Does anyone know how to get more information about effects of aoe attacks?

Know individual hit and damage rolls? Right now with mortarts it's along the line of: 1 miss, 1 graze, 2 hit, 1 crit or some such.

I'd like to know a lot more.



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Wait, gaze spells like the Gaze of Adragon actually works with Driving Flight?!!!

 

Holy crap.

 

Has this been fixed or still working as it did?
 

So I guess Wizard/Ranger is a possibility?


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